Kilt skirt for men

[Barleymower]

I always thought that Scottish men had an easy in, to skirt wearing. However, Steve and DrFishnets are showing that the tartan kilt is a small extra box attached to the standard man box and is just as restrictive.

To be clear I am not criticising kilts or kilt wearers, just learning about what some of my Scottish friends have to deal with, to wear what they want to.

After listening to what Stevie and other have to say about the kilt. I see it in a different light. The kilt builds a even bigger wall between the man and the clothes he would like to wear.
It would be easier if the kilt were not there at all.

[STEVIE]

My objection is/was to your statement that the only difference being the side that the apron fastens being opposite. In an 'off the shelf' or 'bespoke' kilt tailored to a male vs female figure, there are differences in how the pleats and garment as a whole is shaped.

Look at the title of thread "Kilt skirt for men"".
My words were,

The only difference would really be the side the apron fastens on and the cost, I assume.

Note, I added cost as an element too.
I was not expecting a whole lecture on the niceties of kilt or skirt making and I don't want one now.
If you really have to quote, be specific on the element of the post that you wish to question.
Note too that I have been aware of the kilt as a skirt for more than 60 years so let it end here.
The kilt should be recognised as a skirt no matter who the end user is nor how it is tailored.
Steve.

[Grok]

I always thought that Scottish men had an easy in, to skirt wearing. However, Steve and DrFishnets are showing that the tartan kilt is a small extra box attached to the standard man box and is just as restrictive.

Regarding MIS in non-Western cultures, I believe that skirted rigs have been confined to a single design-or, at very most, a very few designs.

Going the other way, during the tail end of the 18th century, Western women had only two designs that were deemed tolerable, bloomers and culottes. Two small trouser boxes attached to a female box full of skirts/dresses. Additional trouser boxes were added slowly, and that would likely have been even slower if women weren't needed in world war munitions factories.

[Grok]

Western women had an uphill struggle for a long time. Initial experimentation in 1850, taking a lifetime for women to achieve a fair variety of trouser options. The variety they enjoyed during the late 20th century was a long time coming.

[Grok]

Imagining a skirted rig gaining traction during the next 10, 20, or 30 years.... I think that would be like plugging a small box into the Man Coffin.

As for other modes of expression, such as jewelry, nail polish, etc., I see these as now being in an experimental phase. I don't know if any will endure.

If men ever achieve the sheer variety of expression that women had (and are now abandoning) in the late 20th century, it will arrive no sooner than the 22nd century.

[skirted84]

Has anyone tried it. Had any luck?

I'm a bit puzzled 84, "Kilt skirt for men"?
The "kilt" is a skirt for men by it's very nature.
The only difference would really be the side the apron fastens on and the cost, I assume.
That difference may be why the kiltmakers are a bit precious about it.
My advice, you want a kilt, bite the bullet and buy a kilt, end of.
Steve.

The whole point of male/female clothing is shaping. Whether its kilts, skirts, jeans or tops and what have you. The male and female figure is completely different overall. I already have an 8 yard pure wool kilt which looks lovely but not very comfortable. Thick heavy wool, extreme yardage. This would be more on the lines of what are described as kilt skirts. Less fabric bunched around, easier to walk and sit, but with male shaping and apron sides. Visually a kilt with the comfort of a skirt.

[yardstick]

Having previously had a couple of the budget 8yd utility kilts which I found a bit of a pain with the excess material especially when sitting down I tried an experiment and purchased a 5 yd cheapie tartan patterned one and I have to say it is a lot easier to live with than an 8yd but still looks ok enough and avoids some of the double takes when wearing a normal skirt even though it tends to behave a bit like one. I doubt it will last very long but is a useful stepping stone and cost very little.

[STEVIE]

Visually a kilt with the comfort of a skirt

I tried an experiment and purchased a 5 yd cheapie tartan patterned one and I have to say it is a lot easier to live with than an 8yd but still looks ok enough and avoids some of the double takes when wearing a normal skirt

What we are really saying here is that it's a skirt hidden in plain sight by virtue of being kiltish.
Ok, if it works for you, go for it.
Personally, I cannot see any expression of freedom in this idea, sorry.
Steve.

[Faldaguy]

Visually a kilt with the comfort of a skirt

I tried an experiment and purchased a 5 yd cheapie tartan patterned one and I have to say it is a lot easier to live with than an 8yd but still looks ok enough and avoids some of the double takes when wearing a normal skirt

What we are really saying here is that it's a skirt hidden in plain sight by virtue of being kiltish.
Ok, if it works for you, go for it.
Personally, I cannot see any expression of freedom in this idea, sorry.
Steve.

Steve, I fully concur. Guys ---you can use any "encounter" to educate and proclaim any and all skirts for men. When asked if what you are wearing is a skirt; or "I like your..., or is that -- a kilt" you can readily reply in many ways: "Yes, kilts are great skirts -- but this is pleaded, not nearly so heavy, expensive or itchy!" -- or whatever variant both informs that a Kilt is a Skirt (do label it) and your choice for the day would more typically be called an A-line or Skater, or....

Here is a list of common ones; following this is a link to some more esoteric skirts from other lands with some great images. Let's get this silliness of hiding behind "Kilt" over and done with -- then you'll have more fun, be honest and will have vastly more freedom.


A-line
Pencil
Maxi
Mini
Midi
Pleated
Wrap
Flared
Mermaid
Trumpet
Tiered
Skater
Circle
Peplum
Tulip
Bubble
High-low
Asymmetrical
Ruffle
Paneled

https://artsandculture.google.com/story ... c_LQ?hl=en

[Kay]

She asked me if I’m wanting to look different then why don’t I wear a kilt because a kilt would be publicly accepted because it’s a Scotsman’s national dress and it isn’t a skirt. I tried to argue that a kilt is a skirt but she wouldn’t listen and instead said to me that I’m not the guy she used to know which upset me a little.

I'd just call every skirt I wear a kilt, or a "modern kilt". Then we would be debating over the schematics of a kilt and not my choice of dressing.

[STEVIE]

I'd just call every skirt I wear a kilt, or a "modern kilt". Then we would be debating over the schematics of a kilt and not my choice of dressing.

Perfect answer Kay, but not in Scotland!
That could lead to all manner of disagreement.
Steve.

[yardstick]

Visually a kilt with the comfort of a skirt

I tried an experiment and purchased a 5 yd cheapie tartan patterned one and I have to say it is a lot easier to live with than an 8yd but still looks ok enough and avoids some of the double takes when wearing a normal skirt

What we are really saying here is that it's a skirt hidden in plain sight by virtue of being kiltish.
Ok, if it works for you, go for it.
Personally, I cannot see any expression of freedom in this idea, sorry.
Steve.

The whole point here for me is the point of gaining confidence in public, I found the 8yd utility a PITA so thought I'd try the 5 yd tartan to push myself beyond my current comfort zone and so far it is working by making me go to places I wouldn't have ever considered up to now in a skirt.

[robehickman]

She asked me if I’m wanting to look different then why don’t I wear a kilt because a kilt would be publicly accepted because it’s a Scotsman’s national dress and it isn’t a skirt. I tried to argue that a kilt is a skirt but she wouldn’t listen and instead said to me that I’m not the guy she used to know which upset me a little.

I'd just call every skirt I wear a kilt, or a "modern kilt". Then we would be debating over the schematics of a kilt and not my choice of dressing.

Would be misleading. A kilt is a wrap skirt with two overlapping flat front aprons, and pleats at the sides and back.

[STEVIE]

Guys,
This really is getting us nowhere fast.
The kilt/skirt argument is as about as pointless as it can get, quit now before it gets tedious to the point of conflict.
Please!
Steve.

[Uncle Al]

Guys,
This really is getting us nowhere fast.
The kilt/skirt argument is as about as pointless as it can get, quit now before it gets tedious to the point of conflict.
Please!
Steve.

From personal experience, I totally agree with Steve's statement.
I've seen what can happen when certain people can't get over their
own concepts of a skirted or kilted garment. The "HEAT" produced
could burn down a building. We need, no MUST, avoid this entirely.

Uncle Al