Stop Assuming Biological Male in Skirt = MIS (They're probably pre-op transwomen)

[LiuBang]

Seems like posters in this forum often see any biologically male individual wearing a skirt and assume, "Wow! MIS is growing in popularity!"

Have you ever considered that there are many, many pre-op transwomen? That the majority of transwomen have never had surgery and could easily pass as male? That many transwomen (including my former colleague) have never had surgery, never had hormones, never wear makeup, wear only men's shirts, and that the only "feminine" piece of clothing they normally wear is a skirt?

Sure, transwomen have the right to wear skirts and identify as whatever they want. But just be real: if you see a biological male in a skirt, chances are it's a pre-op transwoman rather than a man in a skirt.

We MIS are even more of a rarity than it would seem.

[jamie001]

Yes we are seen as Gender Nonconforming which is not a big deal for me because I am gender nonconforming.

[Dust]

Umm... No.

Really it doesn't matter. If a guy is going around in a skirt, with no other visible signals that he is trans, he's just a guy in a skirt to anyone who sees him, unless they talk to him and he says, "no, actually I'm trans." At that point the difference is basically linguistic.

It's this sort of thinking, that any guy who does a single thing that could be coded female by society is automatically trans, gay, or whatever, that led to this absurdly small "man box" of acceptable male behavior in the first place.

[Faldaguy]

Good answer Dust

[timemeddler]

yeah as far as the average joe is concerned if it looks like a man it is a man, humans aren't telepathic that don't sense intentions.

[STEVIE]

Hell, humanity would be in a much better place if we could all stop making assumptions about each other.
Begin with anything non-conforming, quit that because it prevents me assuming or presuming anything about you and being right!
Specific to our cause, cross-dresser, transvestite, gender fluid, pre-op trans or me, just variations of the male condition.
Their choice of clothes should not be a basis for any assumptions, but more importantly moral judgement.
Steve.
BTW my soon to be ex-wife of 44 years still maintains that I am trying to look like a female, sadly there are many more like her out there.

[DrFishnets]

To be honest I don’t care what anyone thinks of me wearing a skirt. When I was younger I did hence the reason I didn’t wear skirts or any gender fluid outfits. Now that I’m got older I wear what I want to wear and that includes skirts, dresses, tights and leggings and experiment with gender fluid fashions because I like the look and feel of skirts, dresses and tights.

In an ideal world I would like to wear skirts, dresses and tights and still be seen as a man just like women wear trousers and other male clothes and still be seen as a woman but unfortunately this isn’t the case. In saying that I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m gay, trans or weird for wearing what I like. I know I’m a straight and heterosexual but if they think otherwise then so be it.

[denimini]

"Stop assuming" ............ I never started

[Barleymower]

Hell, humanity would be in a much better place if we could all stop making assumptions about each other.
Begin with anything non-conforming, quit that because it prevents me assuming or presuming anything about you and being right!
Specific to our cause, cross-dresser, transvestite, gender fluid, pre-op trans or me, just variations of the male condition.
Their choice of clothes should not be a basis for any assumptions, but more importantly moral judgement.
Steve.
BTW my soon to be ex-wife of 44 years still maintains that I am trying to look like a female, sadly there are many more like her out there.

Stevie, perhaps you should say "That makes two of us"



In reply to the thread.
Yes there are lot of transwomen out there and people make assumptions. Like for instance: all men are predators - that's why trans women are hated, they are seen as predatory males in a dress. Transmen are ignored for the same reason - they are just confued girls.

If you wear a skirt, act like a man, and walk like a man. Then you a man in a skirt.
If you wear a skirt, and act like a women, walk like a women then you are most probably (but not certainly) trans.
Gender nonconforming? I think we all, in this group fall into that category because we don't conform to the expectations of society.
It's about time someone did something. Have you been in the mens section lately? Its dire.

[jamie001]

The men's section is so small and the colors are so drab and colorless that sometimes I walk past it and completely miss it. It is getting smaller and smaller every year as women appropriate more items from male fashion. When women appropriate an item from men's fashion, the man-box rules state that it can no longer be worn by men unless you are a gay-homosexual.

[Spirou003]

The men's section is so small and the colors are so drab and colorless

I sometimes feel we don't live in the same planet. I was recently looking for new trousers in the mens section, this time I was looking for some drab ones (the few drab I still had before shopping at the time were going to pass out within a few weeks, and I'm sometimes in that mood). Guess what? I've seen them. But I've also seen white, yellow, light blue, light green, light brown, yes all a bit pale but still these colours. This was in the men's section of Celio at Ville 2, in Charleroi. Near from there, at the H&M located in Rive Gauche shopping center (again in Charleroi), I've seen light purple, pink, red, etc. The colors were a bit pale and this time it was more tops than trousers, but I've seen them. As well as pulls and other things I thought were coming from the women's section.

As for the question of does it matter if most men wearing skirts are trans/gay/etc or not, the answer depends on the point of view. If 99% of the cats you see are meowing, you will most likely assume the next cat will meow. It goes the same way with anything, including men in skirts being trans. If you look at the media, all male celebrities that have worn a skirt have admitted later that they're trans/gay/etc but not just "plainly hetero". What will Joe in the street think when seeing the next man in a skirt, or when seeing you? If you're looking for a long term romantic relationship with a woman, then you're going to care if people may lump you in the trans/gay/etc category or not, especially the attractive women that is walking in your direction. Most of us have been in the past or today, looking for that kind of relation, thus being at a point in the life where we care if people might lump us in the trans/gay/etc category.

[Brad]

If we see a woman in a skirt we don't ask about her gender identity or motivation for wearing a skirt. Even if she was dressed in a man's tuxedo, we may find it odd but we wouldn't question her. And so it should be with men. We can wear skirts with no questions asked. When I'm occasionally asked why I'm wearing a skirt my simple answer is because I want to. I'm hetero cis gender but I don't need to explain that to anyone.

[TheSkirtedMan]

Yes there are lot of transwomen out there and people make assumptions. Like for instance: all men are predators - that's why trans women are hated, they are seen as predatory males in a dress. Transmen are ignored for the same reason - they are just confued girls.

If you wear a skirt, act like a man, and walk like a man. Then you a man in a skirt.
If you wear a skirt, and act like a women, walk like a women then you are most probably (but not certainly) trans.
Gender nonconforming? I think we all, in this group fall into that category because we don't conform to the expectations of society.
It's about time someone did something. Have you been in the mens section lately? Its dire.

Very well put.

From my experience transwomen put on female labelled leggings, jeans, trousers. Obviously I have not meet all so there will be some exceptions no doubt. Never met a drag queen but those seen are always in dresses, flamboyant style and obviously not a man in a skirt.

As for me, I am a man in a skirt embracing his freedom of choice, expression and individuality. I wear male shoes/sandals, never hide my bald head, use my male name, walk, talk, stand, stature etc is manly. I clearly would not confuse the trans question. Yes, the non-conformist but not trans. The vast majority who interact with me use words like, sir, gentleman etc, so they are not confused or question with regards me. I do get the odd stupid woman in their male style appearance asking if I am in costume when on duty as volunteer Room Steward but they are rare. I politely reply, no a man embracing his freedom of choice, expression and individuality, just like you - they are never skirted.

I too think there is to much assumption in the world on many aspects. Leave individuals to their individuality until that individuality does cause harm to others, eg a biological male, dressed however, accessing designated biological female spaces as an example.