Contadiction no pants yes

[Peter v]

I was putting on my pantys, when I thought, this is a bit double. Saying we don't like wearing pants, love the freedom of skirts and in the colder months, or just for a good look, put restrictive pants on again, in the form of pantys, tights.

Besides being fun to wear, keeping your legs somewhat warm, and giving a special effect to your legs, colours / motiefs/patterns. They really make or break a look, except with only the most basic skirts or kilts in the summer. ( then bare legs and sandals will suffice.)

So better to say how fine it is to wear skirts, and not speak too much about restrictive pants.

Peter v

[cessna152towser]

In my opinion, having to wear woolly tights or pantyhose would defeat the whole feeling of freedom which is the object of wearing a skirt type garment. Have you considered buying a warm wool kilt for the winter months which you will be able to wear with thick knee length socks even in the coldest weather?

[Bob]

Some guys here like to wear tights with skirts, some do not. It's true, tights are kind of restrictive.

[ChristopherJ]

I have found that good quality tights feel no more restrictive than mildly tight underpants - and as I use a mildly tight underwear (Calvin Classic trunks) this is a non-issue. The tights that I have fit like a second skin and once I have put them on, I completely forget that I am wearing them.

Cheap tights are not as comfortable - at all.

To me, wearing tights gives me a chance to make my (white, skinny, hairy) legs look good - and as I wear short skirts, this is important. Long socks would also do a similar job and I would happily wear them when I can find some decent ones. But until then I can wear tights of different colours and patterns to complement my skirt. I like the look of skirt and dark tights.

When I went out today I was struck by how many women were showing off their legs - in tights. Now that the cooler weather is upon us, the girls have got their legs out again!

[Peter v]

Yes, I have thought about wearing only long socks with some of my skirts, but that's just it, I do that in the summer, wear even only sandals. But as I also wear more different sorts of skirts, of course from the women's racks, they do not all look good with my bare upper legs, with long socks.

There are pantys with open pants, which I have not tried as yet. that would give the freedom back again.

It's also a matter of how you want your total look to be. I also wear different soorts of again mostly women's clourful and nicely patterned knee socks, but bulky men's shoes somehow don't look right, so I'm looking franticly for suitable shoes to give a more refined, slender look.

You can get away with showing your sometimes tipical unsightly men's legs under a kilt, but under other skirts, it's another story. Very largely a question of taste.

I also like the look which leg decoration gives ( pantys or tights).
And they go all the way up. They also give warmth. The only problem with them is that if the size or form of the panty is not just right, they tend to creep down, which is not very comfortable, and when pulling them up, you have to wear gloves, and pull them up carefully as they tend to get holed very easily, which is very costly. So why all the trouble? It looks and feels good. They give the whole concept, you from top to toe the finnishing touch. I suppose it's all down to the look which you want. And wanting to wear skirts as long as possible through the winter also, and not being a hardened eskimo, I turn to what we call pantys here, possibly tights and maillots ( those are thick pantys) elsewhere.

Peter v

[knappen]

shoes seem impossible lg sizes are almost nonexistant K.

[Peter v]

shoes seem impossible lg sizes are almost nonexistant K.

I would love to have one or more REAL kilts, but they are very costly, so that puts me off buying one. I don't want anything but the real thing, otherwise it wouldn't feel right, and I wouldn't enjoy wearing it. It's not purely the maker's name you pay for, but the quality garment itself, the propertys, the weight, the way it feels on you.

I won't buy a kilt just to fit better in the groove which others want you in, for their acceptance of skirt wearing. We wear skirts, and the kilt is a beautiful quality skirt, one of the many soorts of skirts. which has it's own special range of clothing possibilitys that suit. I wouldn't want a cheap copy, not as a kilt, but worn as another skirt, ok.

There are thankfully, of course other good modern variants, like the Utilikilt, which stand on their own.

Just like harley's, Only HARLEY's made in the US are the real thing, all other V twin motorcycles are just that. A jap V twin may be just super, but it's never a HARLEY. (I'm not saying anthing about quality, performance etc. Don't want to get into that.)

Yes, I live in the Netherlands, and there are manufacturers of women's shoes which have two width choices, and some go to quite large sizes. Don't ask what they cost, 120 euro's is quite normal then, with any luck, maybe 80 euro's. Of course you know what soort of shoes they are, beautiful shoes, but with either extreme high heels or orthopedic shoes which my grand mother would wear in the old people's home. It's really difficult or near imposible to find a really fine sleek shoe, which is suitable for a man to wear, And then, also which is to your personal taste!

If your taste is a little freer, and you don't mind heels, then you have more choice, but still, the hels are just too high. 6 cm heels are high enough. But even for women, heels should not be for daily trips to the super market, but for more formal use. Although I just love the look on people who have the right figure, and are suitably dressed, be it woman OR man. That's free thinking. And has NOTHING to do with Fettisch!!

Peter v.

[Kilted_John]

Just wear a heavyweight knee-length skirt with some wool kneesocks, if you can't go for the kilt just yet. It'll be less restrictive than tights or pantyhose, but will keep you warm.

With respect to finding kilts for cheap, contact a celtic/scottish shop and see if they have any used kilts or rental kilts they might be getting rid of. Two of my traditionals were purchased in that manner. One was purchased new, since I wanted military summer weight wool (18 ounces, instead of 16 or 13 ounces)...

-J

[Peter v]

Just wear a heavyweight knee-length skirt with some wool kneesocks, if you can't go for the kilt just yet. It'll be less restrictive than tights or pantyhose, but will keep you warm.

With respect to finding kilts for cheap, contact a celtic/scottish shop and see if they have any used kilts or rental kilts they might be getting rid of. Two of my traditionals were purchased in that manner. One was purchased new, since I wanted military summer weight wool (18 ounces, instead of 16 or 13 ounces)...

-J

Thanks, I believe there is a surplus shop here in the Netherlands which sells used skottish army kilts. I believe they are still expensive, as they know there is a market for them.

Peter v

[Kilted_John]

Set aside some cash every paycheck until you've enough to purchase one. Then you'll be able to get an ex-military kilt...

-J

[bmaxim]

Regardless of what I wear under my skirt or kilt - it does not smash things as uncomfortably as sitting in trousers for long periods of time

[Peter v]

Regardless of what I wear under my skirt or kilt - it does not smash things as uncomfortably as sitting in trousers for long periods of time

Skirts are especially comfortable when driving.
And skirts may ride up when sitting, but they don't cut of your blood curculation to the vital parts as pants can do.

Peter v

[BrotherTailor]

PeterV, you're correct about the driving comfort. I find that all trousers/overalls are total nut crushers when wedged into an automobile seat. It is like total release to drive along with your kilt or skirt draped across your lap and nothing else other than soft stretchy briefs or whatever on. The only thing (with my habit especially) is to carefully gather the skirt around you (and scapular and cincture) before getting in or you have a yard of fabric stuck in the door.

[Kilted_John]

As the saying goes, crushed nuts are for sundaes... I usually kilt nowadays, since it's less trouble, since I just strap it on and go out, instead of doing the driveway clothing change (luckily, live on about 1.7 acres, so the road is fairly far away from the house) that I used to do whenever I'd publicly skirt.

Just have to remember to sweep while getting into the car, so the pleats don't wind up going every which direction...

-J

[crfriend]

The only thing [regarding cars and skirts] is to carefully gather the skirt around you before getting in or you have a yard of fabric stuck in the door.

This is the skill I term "management". It's an acquired skill to be certain, us blokes just aren't used to worrying about such things because we never grew up worrying about them the way women may have. So, we need to learn it "on the fly" -- and pretty darned quickly, too, else we'll destroy our new clothes in short order.

One other item I thought of the other day, and it's a paraphrase on some advice I heard many years ago about "guys who have long hair and "play with it" look effeminate". The advice was, "It's not a girly thing, it's a long hair thing". In other words, the style influences certain behaviours rather than the behaviours defining the individual. The same applies to well-executed skirt-management -- it's not a feminine thing, it's a skirt thing and just happens to go with the territory if we want to wear our skirts in a skillful manner.

One has to admit, the sight of a skirt hanging out of a closed car-door is pretty sad. I've been there and done that, despite best intentions, but at least I never pulled out of the driveway with my hem hanging out the door (touch wood).