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I wanted to stop in and say hi and introduce myself briefly. I've been a kilt wearer for many years and frequently stop by to catch up on skirt and kilt fashion ideas.

In addition to kilts, I just recently hopped on the tiered crinkle skirt fashion train. I found the skirts irresistible because they looked so cute and comfy :) An ankle-length black one is my favorite. I also like the look of leather skirts as well.

I know that this forum is for both skirt and kilt fans. I lean more towards the skirt side. I hope everyone doesn't mind if I lean in that direction. I have recently seen a number of skirt related posts that tells me I might be in the right place.

I've yet to wear a kilt or skirt out, but that day will hopefully come someday. I know that it is a big leap that needs a lot of support and confidence.

Looking forward to talking about kilts, skirts and fashion!
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st1564 wrote:I've yet to wear a kilt or skirt out, but that day will hopefully come someday. I know that it is a big leap that needs a lot of support and confidence.
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st1564 wrote:I know that it is a big leap that needs a lot of support and confidence.
It's not as big a leap as you think. Going public in a tiered crinkle skirt might be a big leap but just going public in a straight, A-line or pleated denim or twill or other plain material is really a non-event. I sometimes get an odd look but I've not gotten but about 4 negative comments in a year of wearing skirts in public now. I get from none to 6 or 7 positive comments daily when I go somewhere like the grocery store or Bingo games. Funny tho, one of the few negative comments I've gotten was from a Casino manager in Miami Florida that was a Miccosukie Indian and the tribal lore of the Miccosukie is a mans dress with colorful patterns on it. The casino even has a statue of a Miccosukie poling a canoe wearing full tribal dress which includes a skirted garment that looks like a long sleeved dress with a belt that is full and reaches the calves. Anyway, the manager asked me why I was wearing a skirt and told me it might upset the other patrons. My answer to him was, "For the same reason the model for the statue out front was wearing a tribal dress like garment, for comfort". To which he replied, but that's old time Miccosukie dress. I said, If you're against men in skirted outfits why have a statue of a man in a dress in front of your casino? I also said, unbifurcated garments are far more comfortable for my genitalia than any kind of trousers are, so do you want me spending my money here or do you want me to go to the Seminole Indian Casino up the road? He said, I want you to stay here, but can you please wear trousers for your stay? I said, I don't own any. If you insist I wear trousers and not be comfortable I'll have to cancel my reservation and get on up to the Hard Rock Casino.

Anyway, he relented and I stayed there for 2 weeks during Hurricane Katrinas danger to the florida keys where I live. By the 2nd day, he came to me in the poker room and apologized, saying that his boss thought I looked very manly and his boss thought a man in a skirt was not a bad idea at all.

In a year that was only 1 of 4 negative experiences against over 200 positive ones. :):shake: :think:
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st1564 wrote:I wanted to stop in and say hi and introduce myself briefly. I've been a kilt wearer for many years and frequently stop by to catch up on skirt and kilt fashion ideas.

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I've yet to wear a kilt or skirt out, but that day will hopefully come someday. I know that it is a big leap that needs a lot of support and confidence.

Looking forward to talking about kilts, skirts and fashion!
Hi there, most of the time I wear a kilt out. I just like the comfort, freedom of movement of a kilt, besides a kilt pulls 10-1 more comments from women than a skirt does.

However I find it hard to dress up a kilt unless you do the Scot bit. I'm not Scot and I have not found all the gear needed. So I looked at my closet and said how can I recycle what I have. Long skirts can be subsituted for trousers very easily.

Here are a few samples:

http://www.tomscafe.org/forums/attachme ... 1124006073

http://www.tomscafe.org/forums/attachme ... 1078988667

http://www.tomscafe.org/forums/attachme ... 1104547518

One thing I found the standard length mens jacket looks terrible with a kilt. Mens jacket with straight skirt looks fine. These are standard trumpet skirts no belts, no pockets, just a nice clean look, which I really like.

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Since1982 wrote:Going public in a tiered crinkle skirt might be a big leap but just going public in a straight, A-line or pleated denim or twill or other plain material is really a non-event.
I concur on the A-line comment; they don't seem to elicit any reaction at all. I don't own *anything* denim (I hate the bloody stuff) but am given to understand that denim-whatever is "invisible".

That said, I've got a tiered skirt, and I wear it in public rather often. Aside from a wolf-whistle from a few idiots in a testosterone-rich area in Providence (RI/USA) I've gotten no comments on it whatsoever. The skirt is wonderfully comfortable, moves like a dream, and is, at the moment, my favourite skirt. My wife likes it, too, and wanted to filch it the other day (it needed to be washed (and I mean needed!) and she passed up the chance) :D.
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That's a very nice looking rig, sir. Good job.
Brandy wrote:One thing I found the standard length mens jacket looks terrible with a kilt. Mens jacket with straight skirt looks fine. These are standard trumpet skirts no belts, no pockets, just a nice clean look, which I really like.
The Scottish kilt needs a shorter jacket for it to look "right"; hence, standard mens' jackets look "wrong" with kilts. Standard mens' jackets, however, look fine with skirts because there's no other "context" to judge them by. They do look a bit awkward with mini-skirts, but that's a proportion thing and can be worked around with careful tailoring. I routinely wear a standard suit jacket with longer skirts and the look works just fine.

I hate to say it, but the more I study how kilts are worn, and work with all their other appurtenances, I really get the feeling that they're formal costumes (sorry, guys) rather than everyday "go out and knock about" gear. This is not meant to make the hard-core kilters' hair stand on end, but rather an observation from the sidelines.
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I have a tiered skirt also. I only wear it at home as I am fairly large as you can see from my avatar that a wide flowy tiered crinkle skirt (I think) would just make me look bigger. I'm on a working diet that has lost me about 60 pounds in the last 4 months and I expect the loss to continue, of course the speed of loss will become slower once all the excess water weight is gone and I'm working on removing hard core fat that's been on me for 40 years it will take longer to lose but I'm definitely planning on sticking to it....

The reason I am sticking to a diet for the first time in my life? Easy, I, for the first time, have a reason. My skirts. In a skirt after I lose the weight I think I'll really look good and I have such a choice in what I wear with skirts that I never had with trousers. I'm looking forward to more exercise, dancing while wearing a skirt, watching it swirl around as I spin for the first times in my life. Yes, going public in skirts this past year has given me a new lease on life and I am really looking forward to the future. Who knows, If I lose enough weight I might even wear my crinkle skirt squaredancing....That's a dream I'd really like to realize. :):cheer: :ninjajig:
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Short Jackets

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crfriend, thank you for the compliment, that was the first combo I put together, even my sister liked it!

Short Jackets; I have never found a mens short jacket on the rack at any menswear place. The only one I have ever woren was a tails jacket. The other short mens jacket I've seen are made for Scotish kilts, and of course the short waiters jacket. Over at the Yahoo UK email list last year some one got excited when they found nice wool waiters jackets on the web.

There is one very large source of short jackets but the arms tend to be a bit short and shoulders to narrow --- Womens section, my shoulders are too wide and arms to long too ever find one to fit.

The only good looking MENS kilt suit I have seen are the ones from 21stcentury kilts.

So to me that leaves kilt wearing out for any occasion that requires a jacket.

So for me long skirts are it, I did find a dark charcoal gray skirt that almost matchs a dark charcoal jacket. The weaves are different so it's not good for bright lights, or outdoors. The two fabrics reflect light differently.

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Brandy, did you think of Flamenco dancers jackets or Bullfighters jackets? As I remember from watching both years ago in Madrid both Flamenco dancers and bullfighters are very muscular in the upper body and arms and the sleeves are long and the jackets are short. All the bullfighter jackets aren't fancy and glittery, those are only for actually fighting/killing a bull in the arena. For practice they have a similarly shaped black jacket. Check it out, you may be pleasantly surprised:):cool: :wall:

Here's some neato links...>> including flamenca dancing costumes for men. LOL

http://www.flamencoshop.com/menswear/home.htm

http://www.flamencoexport.com/all-flame ... ments.html
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crfriend wrote:That's a very nice looking rig, sir. Good job.

The Scottish kilt needs a shorter jacket for it to look "right"; hence, standard mens' jackets look "wrong" with kilts. Standard mens' jackets, however, look fine with skirts because there's no other "context" to judge them by. They do look a bit awkward with mini-skirts, but that's a proportion thing and can be worked around with careful tailoring. I routinely wear a standard suit jacket with longer skirts and the look works just fine.

I hate to say it, but the more I study how kilts are worn, and work with all their other appurtenances, I really get the feeling that they're formal costumes (sorry, guys) rather than everyday "go out and knock about" gear. This is not meant to make the hard-core kilters' hair stand on end, but rather an observation from the sidelines.
I have never felt comfortable in tailored mens' jackets. They don't seem to be designed to fit the human body, at least off the peg one's don't. Too rigid to be sensible. But that's a personal thing.

Anyway, kilts. You are right - the kilt we see today is a properly tailored item of clothing, that has barely changed since the Victorians invented the little kilt.

I made my own kilt earlier this year. I hunted the internet for plans, looked at originals and decided they weren't it, and needed adapting. Someone said of Jean Paul Gaultier that, 'If something is a tradition, he doesn't touch it. If it's a convention, he pulverizes it', which sounds spot on to me.

As a non-hard-core-kilter, my criteria for a casual kilt were:

Lower waistline, to sit between waist and hips without a belt being essential.
A more modern, soft waistband - which combined with:
Just one buckle on the side, (modern plastic clip as found on most modern mountain gear) holds the garment together (and up!).
Hemline above the knee.
Not tartan (even if I do have a Scottish surname).
Lighter weight in a more modern sensible, washable material, (in this case, cotton, but this meant the insides of the pleats had to be sewn in).
A sensible number of pleats, to give a swirl (essential tradition)
Lined, yes; kilt pin, yes; all the other Victoriana, no; odd extra embellishments to make it look contempory, no.

I feel I've got what I wanted, though there are some things I would do a bit differently next time.

I'll have to work out how to post photos.

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Since1982 wrote:The reason I am sticking to a diet for the first time in my life? Easy, I, for the first time, have a reason. My skirts. In a skirt after I lose the weight I think I'll really look good and I have such a choice in what I wear with skirts that I never had with trousers. I'm looking forward to more exercise, dancing while wearing a skirt, watching it swirl around as I spin for the first times in my life. Yes, going public in skirts this past year has given me a new lease on life and I am really looking forward to the future. Who knows, If I lose enough weight I might even wear my crinkle skirt squaredancing....That's a dream I'd really like to realize. :):cheer: :ninjajig:
Good for you Skip. Stick with it. My wife lost 42 pounds last year - about a quarter of her original weight (13 stone down to 10 stone). She found that as she lost weight, her choice of skirts grew and she's always coming home with new ones (much to my envy!). The upside is that I've inherited some of her castoffs :)

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Welcome to the board. Personally I'm into kilts but in my experience an all black kilt in a below knee length goes unnoticed while a knee length tartan kilt gets a few but not many comments so I fully understand why many men will prefer to wear a plain skirt in a dark colour or in denim in preference to a kilt.
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Welcome ST1564. I'm not sure whether you're UK or US. If you are UK, you can buy a kilt really cheap in Edinburgh at Heritage of Scotland near the castle, or a charity shop. To be honest, if you have not worn a skirt out before, it is easiest to start with a tartan kilt and muted colours. I have got a bit more adventurous, and now also own a black kilt and wear it casual with hiker socks, trainer boots, and sweatshirts. My next step will be a denim kilt. The first time out in a kilt, you feel everyone is looking at you, and for some weird, psychokiltic sort of reason, you draw some comments (almost all of them positive, especially from women). After a few more outings, you almost forget you're wearing it, and seem to attract much less attention. If you can, go in the company of a woman, because this is the number one comment silencer.
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st1564 wrote:I know that this forum is for both skirt and kilt fans. I lean more towards the skirt side. I hope everyone doesn't mind if I lean in that direction. I have recently seen a number of skirt related posts that tells me I might be in the right place.
You will do fine here st1564, they even let fans like me who don't even wear skirts or kilts play here.

Brandy, I am very happy to see you posting again. *Swoon* Hats, boots, and skirts!

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I have made the decision when I finally venture out, it will be a kilt to begin with. Actually, I already made half a baby step by wearing my plaid skorts out the other day. The skorts are so baggy and "skirtlike" that from a short distance, they look like a knee high plaid skirt. I didn't see anyone, but I least I made a little move forward. I know it isn't much, but at least I'm trying. Next time it will be a kilt.

Eventually, I can see me wearing my long tiered black skirt out and about. In the meantime, my closet will fill up with assorted skirts and I'll dream of a skirted world.

BTW, I am from the U.S. Thanks for all the responses and advice. I appreciate it!
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