Another small step

[Sepchugang]

Yesterday, with my OH, I went to see the film "Bird" at our local arts centre (it gets excellent reviews, e.g. https://www.theartsdesk.com/film/bird-r ... lish-tween). It concerns the trials and tribulations of a young girl from a deprived background going through the pains of puberty. "Bird' (Franz Rogowski) is the father figure she meets. He wears a skirt (scroll down the review for a picture) but nowhere in the film is that considered unusual or commented on. Purists might call it a kilt but to me it was a skirt, especially as the location is in Gravesend Kent, in southern England, not Scotland. I feel this is another small step in the acceptance of men wearing skirts. Incidentally, I was wearing a knee-length navy-blue skirt with matching tights and Doc Marten boots. No one in the arts centre batted an eye-lid, if they even noticed, and what I really appreciated were the gender-neutral toilets which make life so much easier for MIS.

[STEVIE]

Purists might call it a kilt but to me it was a skirt, especially as the location is in Gravesend Kent, in southern England, not Scotland.

Thank the Gods that there are no pure people around here then, I do think it's a kilt.
Lets not argue on that again please!
I'm intrigued by something else, what has it being located in England as opposed to Scotland got to do with it.
I rather like this idea too.
Steve.

[Sepchugang]

… so as there are no purists in the N.E. of Scotland where you hail from Stevie, I wonder why you call it a kilt and not a skirt.

The answer to your question is context. It is quite ‘normal’ to see a Scotsman in a kilt in Scotland and indeed elsewhere in the UK but Bird is not Scottish and Gravesend is almost as far from Scotland as it is possible to get in the UK. Perhaps you should see the film. They are not commenting on his skirt because they see it as a kilt they are just not bothered whether it is a kilt or a skirt. Frankly neither am I as to me a kilt is a skirt. As you say, and I completely agree, it is not worth arguing about.

[robehickman]

Its good to see, but a to me a kilt is just a specific type of skirt (a knee length wrap skirt usually in a heavy (traditionally wool tartan) fabric with a flat front apron and pleats in the sides and rear). Where one is wearing it does not change if it is a kilt or a skirt. I can't tell if the skirt in this film is a kilt given the images available.

[shadowfax]

Yesterday, with my OH, I went to see the film "Bird" at our local arts centre (it gets excellent reviews, e.g. https://www.theartsdesk.com/film/bird-r ... lish-tween). It concerns the trials and tribulations of a young girl from a deprived background going through the pains of puberty. "Bird' (Franz Rogowski) is the father figure she meets. He wears a skirt (scroll down the review for a picture) but nowhere in the film is that considered unusual or commented on. Purists might call it a kilt but to me it was a skirt, especially as the location is in Gravesend Kent, in southern England, not Scotland. I feel this is another small step in the acceptance of men wearing skirts. Incidentally, I was wearing a knee-length navy-blue skirt with matching tights and Doc Marten boots. No one in the arts centre batted an eye-lid, if they even noticed, and what I really appreciated were the gender-neutral toilets which make life so much easier for MIS.

I couldn't get your link to the "Bird" film review to work. "Page not found".
The link below works for me.
https://theartsdesk.com/film/bird-revie ... lish-tween

[Faldaguy]

Yesterday, with my OH, I went to see the film "Bird" at our local arts centre. Incidentally, I was wearing a knee-length navy-blue skirt with matching tights and Doc Marten boots. No one in the arts centre batted an eye-lid, if they even noticed, and what I really appreciated were the gender-neutral toilets which make life so much easier for MIS.

I concur that gender free facilities are usually convenient for everyone; but why do you say "make life so much easier for MIS"? I have no more problem with using "men's" rooms while wearing skirts than any other facility.

[GerdG]

I think that when men can actually wear a SKIRTED garment in a context like this and without it getting commented, we certainly have come a big step further.

By the way, to me this skirt is not a kilt. Also, it is worn without accessories like a sporran and kilt socks.
To my experience, at least on the European continent, people will often use the term kilt what ever skirt a man is wearing.