Skort Question

[STEVIE]

......and here is a kid after my own heart, our future rests with such as this little Wee Free Man:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/fam ... e286&ei=20

Steve.

[Barleymower]

......and here is a kid after my own heart, our future rests with such as this little Wee Free Man:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/fam ... e286&ei=20

Steve.

I've been vocal about the skort question. I still say that a girls skirt with shorts bonded in won't work with school boys. It's mostly the look. The skort looks like a girls skirt and that's too much girl for most boys to bear. They might as well wear the pinafore dress sported by the wee man.
I'm all for it but how do you spread the word that it's ok and cool? There could be a way to get this into the mainstream. That is the utilikilt. I think there is enough kudos with perceived kilts for boys to wear them. The utilikilt could be manufactured with shorts sewn in that are made for boys in the 'tackle' dept.
Also a kilt (like) object could get appreciative looks from the girls. The boy wearing one could become a star overnight. If that happened ....

[Modoc]

Two of the best things about wearing skirts and dresses for me are the of course the unrestricted breeze, especially with minimal underwear, and the ease of using toilet facilities. Not having to deal with belts and snaps and snaps and zippers and such is a huge benefit. Having raised a couple of sons I dont see where adding sewed in shorts to a skirt would help at all when it's time to go.
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[Stu]

So a boy in Scotland has challenged the convention that males can only wear trousers. Hopefully, others will see that and do the same.Surely my idea about skorts also contributes to that, or it could if enough people show interest in it. I mentioned AI - just look at what Bard AI or ClaudeAI say about skorts being suitable for both sexes - and then ask why manufacturers and retailers are treating them as exclusively for females.

My point is that expecting males to suddenly start wearing skirts is a big leap. We have to break the monopoly on trousers and skorts offer a stepping stone towards that.

[Midas]

My annual spend on clothes is much higher now than it used to be before I started wearing skirts and dresses.

Thanks Midas,
Not that I am in the least bit perturbed but that is precisely why the retailers won't target men for skirts and dresses, oh the irony!
They just don't have to because most men in our situation are born aisle crossers anyway and not lured by labels or deterred by the norms foisted upon us.
In the case of school skorts, the target is easy pre-pubescent boys. No alteration to production as not a lot of extra space needed in certain areas.
I'd wager the labels on the shorts and skorts don't specify boy/girl either under a certain age bracket.
The skorts never will on the assumption of girls only but getting them demanded by boys and bought by parents will take clever marketing.
As I said evolutionary time.
Steve.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if a retailer took a random selection of skirts and dresses and simply placed them with the suits and trousers in the menswear section.

[STEVIE]

My point is that expecting males to suddenly start wearing skirts is a big leap. We have to break the monopoly on trousers and skorts offer a stepping stone towards that.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if a retailer took a random selection of skirts and dresses and simply placed them with the suits and trousers in the menswear section.

We are looking at 2 very distinct patterns of demand.
The skort as school uniform for boys will depend on boys making the demand of their parents.
The purchase is in the hands of the parents so, unless the boys buy their own?
Just dump some skirts among Menswear, a cunning plan worthy of Baldrick methinks.
The question is the pattern of male shopping habits, lone, accompanied or actually female?
Who would buy the "misplaced" skirts?
Female on behalf of a male, especially a partner or relation, most unlikely.
Accompanied male, maybe, especially if a stunt, joke or fancy dress party is in the scenario.
The lone male is fairly likely, but also a probable aisle crosser in any case.
Finally a female for herself, as we already know, woman have no scruples when it comes to the source of their clothes.
Steve

[mishawakaskirt]

Where's the articles on the female students adopting the trousers uniform? I'm sure there are more girls adopting the trousers. Where is the articles and fanfare for them?

"Girl,7, wears boys clothes to class is hailed "inspirational" by friends."

Where is it.? Show me one article.

[big_daddy_thong]

I'm a big fan of skorts in place of regular shorts. I have a collection of golf, tennis, hiking and yoga skorts that I wear for a recreational sports activities.
Sometimes instead of leggings for yoga class when it is super hot in the summer, I'll wear skorts and crop top. I have found that wearing skorts on my bike when I'm on the trial give me a fashion option that is still functional for riding. I also love wearing skorts for walks and running errands during the weekend after my sports outings.

[Barleymower]

My point is that expecting males to suddenly start wearing skirts is a big leap. We have to break the monopoly on trousers and skorts offer a stepping stone towards that.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if a retailer took a random selection of skirts and dresses and simply placed them with the suits and trousers in the menswear section.

We are looking at 2 very distinct patterns of demand.
The skort as school uniform for boys will depend on boys making the demand of their parents.
The purchase is in the hands of the parents so, unless the boys buy their own?
Just dump some skirts among Menswear, a cunning plan worthy of Baldrick methinks.
The question is the pattern of male shopping habits, lone, accompanied or actually female?
Who would buy the "misplaced" skirts?
Female on behalf of a male, especially a partner or relation, most unlikely.
Accompanied male, maybe, especially if a stunt, joke or fancy dress party is in the scenario.
The lone male is fairly likely, but also a probable aisle crosser in any case.
Finally a female for herself, as we already know, woman have no scruples when it comes to the source of their clothes.
Steve

Stevie my question seems to be lost in the ether. What about a skort kilt? Would that work?

[STEVIE]

Stevie my question seems to be lost in the ether. What about a skort kilt? Would that work?

Apologies BM,
My honest answer has to be I don't know.
My very jaundiced view of kilts is well publicised already and I do doubt that they'd work in Scotland.
My neighbour's 11 year old daughter attends a local private school and her uniform is a kilted skirt.
She told me the boys are allowed to wear a kilt but they choose not to and we all know why, don't we?
The trouser option for girls starts at secondary, can't wait is her opinion.
The Scots kid who has recently been reported as wearing girl uniform and for now, it's ok because he is 7.
Try it aged 13 and he will have to be able to look after himself.
Who knows, in 6 years skirts of any form may be de rigueur for boys and men, evolution and time will tell.

[STEVIE]

"Girl,7, wears boys clothes to class is hailed "inspirational" by friends."

Not quite hailed as inspirational, but I found this:

"Did anyone ever publicly protest their school dress code? No doubt some students did. There was one case in 1942 when Abraham Lincoln High School (Brooklyn, New York) student Beverly Bernstein protested her school’s dress code by wearing slacks and a sweater to school one day. She was promptly suspended, which resulted in other girls carrying on with the protest the next day and wearing slacks in solidarity."
The point is that the females fought for it and won, now it is taken for granted.
Girls, when I was 7 never wore trousers in school. We had one Asian girl whose family had to fight for her to be allowed to keep her legs covered.
That was late 1960s Scotland.

Steve

[Barleymower]

Stevie my question seems to be lost in the ether. What about a skort kilt? Would that work?

Apologies BM,
My honest answer has to be I don't know.
My very jaundiced view of kilts is well publicised already and I do doubt that they'd work in Scotland.
My neighbour's 11 year old daughter attends a local private school and her uniform is a kilted skirt.
She told me the boys are allowed to wear a kilt but they choose not to and we all know why, don't we?
The trouser option for girls starts at secondary, can't wait is her opinion.
The Scots kid who has recently been reported as wearing girl uniform and for now, it's ok because he is 7.
Try it aged 13 and he will have to be able to look after himself.
Who knows, in 6 years skirts of any form may be de rigueur for boys and men, evolution and time will tell.

I thought as much Stevie. If boys are shying away from a kilt in Scotland, then what chance does a skort have?
We may not be comparing eggs with eggs. What I mean is, enticing boys to wear skirts who would otherwise not bother is a loss. They are not going to do it unless there is something in it for them eg female attention.
The target group has to be boys who want greater choice in what they wear also the stigma in boys wearing what is perceived as girls clothes needs ro be gone.

That's why I thought the skort kilt might work. But if boys in Scotland won't wear a kilt, why would boys in England or anywhere else wear one?

"Try it aged 13 and he will have to be able to look after himself"
I am facing the same question with BM junior. That is what will happen at senior school? He thought he could wear normal uniform for boys and skirts when heading into town. It came as a surprise to him that news of his skirt wearing would reach school at lightning speed.

[mishawakaskirt]

A school skort will get all of the teasing that a regular skirt will bring with out the actual comfort benefits of the skirt.

I have a denim skort that looks like shorts in back, and has the skirt panel in front. I wear it alot and still have anxiety
About wearing something that only looks like a skirt from the front.
I don't know why I get so fixated and flustered about a extra piece of denim sewn onto the front of my shorts.

It doesn't help that I don't get any support from my wife.
I'm sure that is part of it. I don't want it getting back around to her "I Saw your husband the other day and I m pretty sure he was wearing a skirt"

That article just goes to show how ingrained the view point of skirt s are for females. Skirts, skorts, the kilt all seen primarily as for the female.

People generally cave to the masses view point.

Men won't wear skirts until men wear skirts.

I have even thought it. I will start wearing skirts publicly when I start seeing a few men wearing skirts.

It's difficult to be the only one the lone wolf, an outlier.

The only hope we have is some of these articles are at least bringing up males in skirts.

I do wish they would leave out the gender identity spin.

I'm wearing the skirt or kilt for comfort, NOT any other reason.

[Faldaguy]

A school skort will get all of the teasing that a regular skirt will bring with out the actual comfort benefits of the skirt.

I have a denim skort that looks like shorts in back, and has the skirt panel in front. I wear it alot and still have anxiety
About wearing something that only looks like a skirt from the front.
I don't know why I get so fixated and flustered about a extra piece of denim sewn onto the front of my shorts.

It doesn't help that I don't get any support from my wife.
I'm sure that is part of it. I don't want it getting back around to her "I Saw your husband the other day and I m pretty sure he was wearing a skirt"

That article just goes to show how ingrained the view point of skirt s are for females. Skirts, skorts, the kilt all seen primarily as for the female.

People generally cave to the masses view point.

Men won't wear skirts until men wear skirts.

I have even thought it. I will start wearing skirts publicly when I start seeing a few men wearing skirts.

It's difficult to be the only one the lone wolf, an outlier.

The only hope we have is some of these articles are at least bringing up males in skirts.

I do wish they would leave out the gender identity spin.

I'm wearing the skirt or kilt for comfort, NOT any other reason.

How long do you need to take your own words (in bold above) to heart, and to the street? I would suggest that everyone of us on SC that do wear our skirts routinely in public started out as "the one lone wolf", and yes it can be difficult IN YOUR MIND -- the actual act is not hard, nor are the consequences outside of S.O's who you've not brought round to accepting. Yes, it will not become wide-spread until many of us have been the lone wolf outlier. It is up to you now -- are you going to wear a skirt or not--in all likelihood, if you don't become another lone wolf, you'll be dead before the trend catches on.

[Midas]

It isn’t difficult at all to be the only man wearing a skirt in public. I have done so for almost two years and while I was a bit self conscious at first, that soon passed.

Anyway, skirts (particularly dark ones) are invisible. For well over a year I have mostly worn dresses, which are far from invisible. It is great fun and not difficult.