Why Women Wear Trousers
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Skirt Chaser wrote: I like to look at wild sneakers too but never consider the feet inside.
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Well, yeah, but then sneakers don't have that same access issue I mentioned, do they? And feet don't generally have the same erotic aspect that other skirt-covered areas do (for most people, that is).
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All of the above are various reasons for women not wearing skirts or dresses.
But you missed reason number 4. Projecting a power image.
Da whattt??? Well when was the last time you have seen Hillary in a dress or a skirt during the current politico season on TV? Easy 'Men' have the power, men wear 'trousers', Hillary wants the power Hillary wears trousers also.
I will guarantee you that if those men standing beside her on stage were wearing skirts, Hillary would be in a skirt also.
What works in front of a TV camera also works in a business office. Unless a woman has already establish her creds and wants to move up in the power structure at work she wears trousers. At least that the way it is where I work.
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But you missed reason number 4. Projecting a power image.
Da whattt??? Well when was the last time you have seen Hillary in a dress or a skirt during the current politico season on TV? Easy 'Men' have the power, men wear 'trousers', Hillary wants the power Hillary wears trousers also.
I will guarantee you that if those men standing beside her on stage were wearing skirts, Hillary would be in a skirt also.
What works in front of a TV camera also works in a business office. Unless a woman has already establish her creds and wants to move up in the power structure at work she wears trousers. At least that the way it is where I work.
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There's something in that. Where I work, we have a manageress (or female manager) who is quite high up in the organisation. She wear skirts and trousers in roughly equal proportion, and mostly casual. I've never seen her in a dark business trouser suit. Other women often wear trouser suits and appear to be trying to be like the men. Thinking about it, more women where I work wear suits than do the men - especially in the winter.Brandy wrote:What works in front of a TV camera also works in a business office. Unless a woman has already establish her creds and wants to move up in the power structure at work she wears trousers. At least that the way it is where I work.
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If I want to dress like a woman, I'll wear jeans.
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Second class men
The trouble is is that the argument is specious -- the trick doesn't work. Men understand the tactic and just get on with business regardless; women see through it, too, and try to do the same. So, all that ends up happening at the end of the day is that the woman in question has spent the day playing "dress up" and still hasn't achieved even "second class male" status.Brandy wrote: 4. Projecting a power image.
Da whattt??? Well when was the last time you have seen Hillary in a dress or a skirt during the current politico season on TV? Easy 'Men' have the power, men wear 'trousers', Hillary wants the power Hillary wears trousers also.
Women do not need to look like, act like, and think like men in order to be successful. Trying to become something you aren't (and never will be) is seldom the path to success -- in anything.
As far as Hillary Clinton is concerned, I can remember when she first stepped onto the national stage in 1990 -- as a very bright intelligent woman. Over the years, her handlers have turned her into an ersatz-man -- needlessly -- perhaps to the detriment of the way that a good chunk of the nation views her.
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Re: Second class men
I am reminded of the scene from "Working Girl" starring Melanie Griffith and Harrison Ford where she's choosing a dress to wear to a function. She chooses a little black number covered in sequins which says "Not afraid to be noticed!", and Ford comments that most women at these gigs dress as they think men would dress if they were women.crfriend wrote: So, all that ends up happening at the end of the day is that the woman in question has spent the day playing "dress up" and still hasn't achieved even "second class male" status.
Women do not need to look like, act like, and think like men in order to be successful. Trying to become something you aren't (and never will be) is seldom the path to success -- in anything.
They end up making a very successful partnership and business deal.
I think there's a lot of misconceptions between the sexes about what we each assume the other gender is thinking all the time. Mostly, I think, we project our own fears and wishes onto each other. We long for approval, and therefore do the things which we would approve of, not realizing it isn't what the other half wants. Then we get all broken-hearted because we tried so hard to give so much, and were rejected.
It's nobody's fault really. Just miscommunication, or a mismatch.
In the end I think the most successful people are the ones who say "To Hekk with trying to play the catch-up game with all these rules! I'm gonna do things the way it makes my heart absolutely throb with joy! Anyone who doesn't like it that way can just step aside because they weren't going to like me anyway!"
And then they go and have fun.

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Just to point out that on the Clyde at the moment and for the past few years, the Commodore in charge of the Naval base is female and normally wears skirts as part of her uniform. I don't know if trousers are an option under those circumstances but she has plenty of power and all without trousers. She definately has no problems projecting a powerful aura.
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"Working Girl" with Melanie Griffith is one of my all time favorite dramatic/comedic movies, ranks right up there with "The Associate" with Whoopi Goldberg..another dandy where she has to masquerade as a businessMAN that looks like Marlon Brando to be recognized for her acumen and business skills. "Robert S. Cutty", her "white" businessMAN alter ego. She took the name off a bottle of Cutty Sark. 

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That's the funny thing for me, it isn't a matter of skirts at all, merely an appreciation of him being out of the norm. Over time the look of a skirt on him has grown on me but really it could have been anything that made him more interesting.AMM wrote:With the exception of Quiet Man, I presume.Skirt Chaser wrote:Count me as one that busts the idea that "I don't think that anyone can look at anyone else in a skirt or kilt without wondering (consciously or unconsciously) what they're wearing under the skirt and what you could see if you lift it up."
Disagreements are never a problem, that's what makes you think in new ways and that's always good.Emerald Witch wrote:Sorry the first thing I wrote to you had to be a disagreement. I actually wanted to say Hello, and I'm glad to meet you! It's always nice to chat with someone who shares a certain perspective.

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I like this site so much more now that it has a vocal female element. It's so cool to hear the views of QM and EW. It's like when a woman moves into your house -- all of a sudden the little pieces start matching and things start looking like a home!
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I think they call that.... Domesticationiain wrote:I like this site so much more now that it has a vocal female element. It's so cool to hear the views of QM and EW. It's like when a woman moves into your house -- all of a sudden the little pieces start matching and things start looking like a home!

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I know I'm chattier thanks to Emerald showing up. New blood and new perspectives makes for more material to work with and I like that.
Domestication? I looked up domestication at dictionary.com to see all that the word encompasses and it seems to me it applies pretty well to what the men here do with skirts.
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Domestication? I looked up domestication at dictionary.com to see all that the word encompasses and it seems to me it applies pretty well to what the men here do with skirts.

There's also "To bring down to the level of the ordinary person." Skirts aren't just for male models anymore.5.to take (something foreign, unfamiliar, etc.) for one's own use or purposes; adopt.
6.to make more ordinary, familiar, acceptable, or the like

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