I took a not so great looking vent in the back denim mini skirt and had it altered to have vent in the back closed and for a more stylish look, had them put 2 vents on both sides so that I could walk easier and show off some leg.
It's not unusually hot here right now, but since it's been in the teens and below, 50 feels really really warm.
Something alarming that just hit me when I was at the mall looking around in several stores is that very few of them carry skirts that are denim and around mid thigh length. Most stores didn't even carry skirts for women, in fact I had a hard time finding much of anything, but jeans other trouser types were there in overabundance. I mean that hit me like a ton of bricks, seeing all these women in jeans and almost wanted to walk up to one of the older ones and ask, "how does it feel to be able to wear jeans everywhere and not be looked at funny or laughed at?" and then told her after whatever she responded with. I would like to wear a skirt at some point without being laughed at as well. Maybe then I would've heard the "we women had to work long and hard to have the freedom that we do".
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That's wise.Bri wrote:I would rather talk it over with her than say "you accept this or else".
Exactly.The connections thing though could explain why guys have to go off and think about something for a while
What I said has a lot to do with the way men and women communicate. Women are often able to receive and respond without the contemplation pause men often require. Men receive, process, and then respond. All that has to do with is communication, and little or nothing to do with the outcomes of thinking processes. The thinking process is influenced by too many factors to make a sweeping attribution to physiology, although hormones are a significant factor. That has been shown in art studies, where higher estrogen levels seem to lead to more circular "doodling" and higher testosterone leads to more geometric doodling. But thought is also colored by experience as much as by physiology and biochemistry.Maybe they're a bit faster and it makes them more practical
I don't really have any qualifications to make any further offerings to the matter beyond what little I've read, so I'll shut up about it now.
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i think what you're saying is that women have more motorpathways in the brain when it comes to conversive decision making, whereas men don't because we just don't converse as much as women. I'm thinking about people on the radio and how they have such quick comebacks to everything, and it's not just because women do. The response time is quick between both men and women on the radio I think because they're doing it so often that those pathways are like an 8 lane freeway compared to the very antisocial man who's like a 1 or maybe 2 lane road in each direction, they have to wait for the data to go through and then be able to respond.
I prefer not to think about how each sex/gender is vastly superior to one another because of the hormones and chemicals, but that we're raised differently in social surroundings and if you have more practice at driving a car, you're naturally (usually) going to be able to drive better than someone who rarely drives.
But you have a good point there.
I prefer not to think about how each sex/gender is vastly superior to one another because of the hormones and chemicals, but that we're raised differently in social surroundings and if you have more practice at driving a car, you're naturally (usually) going to be able to drive better than someone who rarely drives.
But you have a good point there.
As we are talking about the way women think, I had a intence discussion the other day, with a woman I know very well, My mother. ( she is 83 but going strong. )
It was about the availability of clothing meant for the mases, not clothing that is very special or unique, being very expensive and exclusive.
I live in a small town, and there are a few clothing stores, of which a very small one has very nice clothing (women's). I had talked to them about some articles already being half sold out, and if they were to order again.
Their response was; "we buy only a few of each size to keep the gament original, to be sure that only perhaps two ..or three women would be wearing the same clothing. "( I don't know the exact numbers they buy. )
And not "we are a small business and can't afford to buy more than two or so of each size per article."
As we all are very familiar with the scenes of for example, two women confronting each other at for evxample a ball, a wedding or the like, in precicely the same dresses.
Well, that results (in the film) fighting, and tearing of each others clothes.
Women seem to go bonkers (not all the time) when any other women is wearing the same as they have.
They seem to want to deny any other women the right to buy the same beautiful garment they they themselves though to be worth buying.
I understand the way of thinking, but do find it terribly discriminative and to want to deny any other the right to wear the same at the same time and then make such a fuss about it, a very doubtful way of thinking.
As for the shop, although I can follow their sales tactic to attract women to buy there, knowing that there are only minimal quantities available. But by doing so I think discriminate all the others who would also want to buy
My mother was quite distraught when I asked what way of thinking lay behind that behavior / trait. I can talk to her about practically everything without problem, but on this occasion, she was visible annoyed and argued to "change the subject "
I suggested that I found that very disturbing, to willingly deny others the right to wear the same that you yourself found interesting enough to buy. And said that I found it discriminating.
I asked her if she could clarify what actually was going on in her mind, reguarding this fenomenon, if it was the rivalry to be the most beautiful in the land, if it had something to do with "fighting" for the man. I stated that those reasons I would think are only sometimes valid. the rest of the time absolutely not actual. Yet it is a fact.
Other stores I have found when asked do the same, and it is with clothing that should be available foor every client (within reason) who wishes to buy it, as the price class is not cheap, but respectably normal ( pricey but acceptable). I myself have often seen skirts etc which were just recently in the rack, but already sold out. And the were not exclusive makes.
I find it disturbing to hear that stores sell that way. It is often hard enough to finally find something nice, and when something new comes, it may only be bought in with two of each size, and when you come, they are of course gone. Plus the chance that you would have to meet up with the others in the same clothing may be far less that winning anything in a lottery.
Maybe this way of thing has some roots in the way women are so difficult in accepting men in skirts. Looka as if the are not logicaly thinking, but maybe they are thinking in the same way they do about rivalry for the most beautiful. Very idle tnot to accept anyone else wearing what you have. And the worst part is that stores seem to sell that way, supporting that too. It is the store policy that I find disturbing.
Not all stores sell that way, as we all know, so why should the others do it?
I believe in fair choice, and not discrimination at the onset.
So, enough food for thought.
Peter v.
It was about the availability of clothing meant for the mases, not clothing that is very special or unique, being very expensive and exclusive.
I live in a small town, and there are a few clothing stores, of which a very small one has very nice clothing (women's). I had talked to them about some articles already being half sold out, and if they were to order again.
Their response was; "we buy only a few of each size to keep the gament original, to be sure that only perhaps two ..or three women would be wearing the same clothing. "( I don't know the exact numbers they buy. )
And not "we are a small business and can't afford to buy more than two or so of each size per article."
As we all are very familiar with the scenes of for example, two women confronting each other at for evxample a ball, a wedding or the like, in precicely the same dresses.
Well, that results (in the film) fighting, and tearing of each others clothes.
Women seem to go bonkers (not all the time) when any other women is wearing the same as they have.
They seem to want to deny any other women the right to buy the same beautiful garment they they themselves though to be worth buying.
I understand the way of thinking, but do find it terribly discriminative and to want to deny any other the right to wear the same at the same time and then make such a fuss about it, a very doubtful way of thinking.
As for the shop, although I can follow their sales tactic to attract women to buy there, knowing that there are only minimal quantities available. But by doing so I think discriminate all the others who would also want to buy
My mother was quite distraught when I asked what way of thinking lay behind that behavior / trait. I can talk to her about practically everything without problem, but on this occasion, she was visible annoyed and argued to "change the subject "
I suggested that I found that very disturbing, to willingly deny others the right to wear the same that you yourself found interesting enough to buy. And said that I found it discriminating.
I asked her if she could clarify what actually was going on in her mind, reguarding this fenomenon, if it was the rivalry to be the most beautiful in the land, if it had something to do with "fighting" for the man. I stated that those reasons I would think are only sometimes valid. the rest of the time absolutely not actual. Yet it is a fact.
Other stores I have found when asked do the same, and it is with clothing that should be available foor every client (within reason) who wishes to buy it, as the price class is not cheap, but respectably normal ( pricey but acceptable). I myself have often seen skirts etc which were just recently in the rack, but already sold out. And the were not exclusive makes.
I find it disturbing to hear that stores sell that way. It is often hard enough to finally find something nice, and when something new comes, it may only be bought in with two of each size, and when you come, they are of course gone. Plus the chance that you would have to meet up with the others in the same clothing may be far less that winning anything in a lottery.
Maybe this way of thing has some roots in the way women are so difficult in accepting men in skirts. Looka as if the are not logicaly thinking, but maybe they are thinking in the same way they do about rivalry for the most beautiful. Very idle tnot to accept anyone else wearing what you have. And the worst part is that stores seem to sell that way, supporting that too. It is the store policy that I find disturbing.
Not all stores sell that way, as we all know, so why should the others do it?
I believe in fair choice, and not discrimination at the onset.
So, enough food for thought.
Peter v.
A man is the same man in a pair of pants or a skirt. It is only the way people look at him that makes the difference.
Women do this mainly to attract attention, if two or more women dress the same, they tend to blend in. If you're the only one at an event or gathering that's wearing this outfit, then it's going to attract attention. My mum is a perfect example of this. She will go out of her way to find something no one else has so she can be very unique. Boutiques work off of this same thing, yes it's very expensive to order some limited quantities in only a few sizes, but it keeps your customers loyal, limits that amount of possible shoplifting and usually keeps the store looking very clean and orderly (the way a lot of women like it). As you also know, those stores sell mostly to older women in their late 30s to late 60s who have money and well want to look different.
Yes, it is all understandable, but it still gives me a strange feeling that it is not right to offer so few products for sale that are actually intended to be sold in larger quantities. That gives met a feeling that they are by doing so, stimulating a discrimination policy by shop keepers. It feels in some way predjudice. Apparently other ( larger ) stores also with quality fashionable garments don't have the same "problem," Fearing that two or more women may be wearing the same clothing and meet each other somewhere.Bri wrote:Women do this mainly to attract attention, if two or more women dress the same, they tend to blend in. If you're the only one at an event or gathering that's wearing this outfit, then it's going to attract attention. My mum is a perfect example of this. She will go out of her way to find something no one else has so she can be very unique. Boutiques work off of this same thing, yes it's very expensive to order some limited quantities in only a few sizes, but it keeps your customers loyal, limits that amount of possible shoplifting and usually keeps the store looking very clean and orderly (the way a lot of women like it). As you also know, those stores sell mostly to older women in their late 30s to late 60s who have money and well want to look different.
I would rather think that it be fairer and undiscriminant if they would have more of each product for sale, leaving it up to the wearers, and a chance meeting rather than determining it before hand for the prospective buyers.
Let them make the choice. Anyone can come in to their store and buy, not just people in a two mile radius. It is regarding normal clothing, for normal prices. Not exclusive garments.
It just doesn't feel right, but well, I'll leave it at that.
Peter v.
A man is the same man in a pair of pants or a skirt. It is only the way people look at him that makes the difference.
I went to Kohl's today and picked up a mini skirt and a really cool shirt, and went to the men's changing room and tried them on, found out the skirt was too big for me and so I took it back to the rack and got a size 9 instead of an 11. Went to pay for them and the store was crowded. It was a total non occurance to do that as well.
I was really excited to go into the store and buy this stuff.
I was really excited to go into the store and buy this stuff.
I was talking to my gf last night and asked her a few questions such as why she wears stuff made for guys, and she gave the answer of "so". Then we talked about how I bought her some "panties" from the nike store and they fit really well, in fact so well that I bought a few pair for myself. Her mum also found by looking at a photo of me in email wearing a tennis skirt. She asked what I was doing in a skirt, and she told her mum that I just found them comfortable to wear and I like them, her response was "ooook" kind of with rolling eyes in a voice of "oh great, he's weird" or something like that.
But she (gf) doesn't seem to mind if I wear things made for a girl as she knows several girls who wear guy's shirts (not all the time) and other things, as well she asked me if i could give her one of my shirts to sleep in (the usual things most gfs ask) and so I gave her one, but might give her another.
The only stipulation is that I don't wear a bra or do makeup, and I told her that she never has to worry about that. I only wear skirts because I like to and find them nicer than shorts which are a small break from the heat but the same concept as jeans which don't allow for any circulation.
But she (gf) doesn't seem to mind if I wear things made for a girl as she knows several girls who wear guy's shirts (not all the time) and other things, as well she asked me if i could give her one of my shirts to sleep in (the usual things most gfs ask) and so I gave her one, but might give her another.
The only stipulation is that I don't wear a bra or do makeup, and I told her that she never has to worry about that. I only wear skirts because I like to and find them nicer than shorts which are a small break from the heat but the same concept as jeans which don't allow for any circulation.
I went out today in a skirt I had altered at a tailor and it was a bit tight but nothing really bad. I went to fill the tank and got out without any strange looks, of course I was nervous but tried to reduce the exposure to the front and back angles. Then after that, I went to get things for my dog at a pet store that I'd never been to that was close to where I live, and went inside (it was a hole in the wall, really) where a guy about mid 20s or so was on the phone with a woman /customer. I asked him about harnesses and cleaning supplies and he said he didn't have anything, he might have seen what I was wearing, but I didn't care. I changed into jeans because my legs were rubbing together and getting annoying. Went to another pet store that was a much better one with a nice 20-30something woman working in it. We chatted for some time and I bought a few things. Can't wait to go back in there with a skirt and show off, my dog got to and now it's my turn!! She also knows I have a gf and we talked about the dogs.
This shows that actually skirt wearing is mostly a non issue, and that being yourself, I would assume most of us being just "normal nice people" is actually the most important thing. ( for others who see us)
peter v
peter v
A man is the same man in a pair of pants or a skirt. It is only the way people look at him that makes the difference.
She then commented that people might think I'm a partial transvestite because of me wearing a skirt. I think I might have overstated that it's very unfair that women get so many things for free and take for granted. They just flirt a bit and get into clubs or bars, they can wear whatever they really want to from the time they're born.
One of her co workers said that she was wearing jeans from the men's dept. and for her not to tell anyone about it, appearantly they might start to tease her and other things. I only wish the communication gap was much small between men and women. Some of the things they do seem so new and like Wow! to us and they're just like, what's the problem?
She also told me if I wanted to go in and buy something from the women's section to just do it. I then told her (which I think she got the idea of why I was nervous) that I might get looked at strange, but really she without speaking made me realize that the fear was inside me, there was really nothing to fear. So today, I went to target and bought some of the boy shorts in white and the woman didn't ask me anything but "did you find everything alright today". I really should stop worrying about what other people think and just go in and buy what I want to, because most, if not all the time it's all in my head.
Another comment that was made by her is she had a friend that worked at shopko and had a number of men for various reasons go into the changing room with a skirt on, and the only thing that the girl (her friend) said that was working there was "ooooooh k" in a mental voice of, that was different. Other than that, she might have made a few comments on her break to other employees but quickly forgets/forgot about that happening . It's only a head turner because like an exotic car, you don't see them everyday and they catch your eye. Yet she said she also (when worked at a theatre) saw guys usually at the last showing of the night, come in, in skirts. To her it was the same "ooooohh k" but just because she wasn't used to seeing that, same as if someone were to bring a dog into the movie.
It was really refreshing to hear what people at the stores think about this and look forward to hearing more, if there even is more. It might be just that, not a big deal.
One of her co workers said that she was wearing jeans from the men's dept. and for her not to tell anyone about it, appearantly they might start to tease her and other things. I only wish the communication gap was much small between men and women. Some of the things they do seem so new and like Wow! to us and they're just like, what's the problem?
She also told me if I wanted to go in and buy something from the women's section to just do it. I then told her (which I think she got the idea of why I was nervous) that I might get looked at strange, but really she without speaking made me realize that the fear was inside me, there was really nothing to fear. So today, I went to target and bought some of the boy shorts in white and the woman didn't ask me anything but "did you find everything alright today". I really should stop worrying about what other people think and just go in and buy what I want to, because most, if not all the time it's all in my head.
Another comment that was made by her is she had a friend that worked at shopko and had a number of men for various reasons go into the changing room with a skirt on, and the only thing that the girl (her friend) said that was working there was "ooooooh k" in a mental voice of, that was different. Other than that, she might have made a few comments on her break to other employees but quickly forgets/forgot about that happening . It's only a head turner because like an exotic car, you don't see them everyday and they catch your eye. Yet she said she also (when worked at a theatre) saw guys usually at the last showing of the night, come in, in skirts. To her it was the same "ooooohh k" but just because she wasn't used to seeing that, same as if someone were to bring a dog into the movie.
It was really refreshing to hear what people at the stores think about this and look forward to hearing more, if there even is more. It might be just that, not a big deal.