There’s just no justice!

[Bravehearts.us]

Today I saw a female employee who was wearing high heals, fishnet stockings, (dress code states the legs have to be covered…ha, ha, ha) a mini-mini skirt with a semi transparent white blouse that let you see her bra (what there was of it) and every thing that it didn’t cover. Tell me that isn’t emotional/sexual abuse of the males at work!!!
I couldn’t help but remember a couple of years ago when I wore my black spit shined jump boots, black tights, black Utilikilt, grey pin striped white shirt and a black tie. It caused so much hoop-tee-do that the company re-wrote the dress code forbidding kilts. My first thought, before I cooled off, was that maybe I should get a mini-mini skirt and fishnet stockings and go to work!!!
After I cooled off I just wanted to kill her!:ninjajig: I’m so HOT tonight I could heat the whole house in January just by sitting here. :irked:
Lar

[Steven]

Not sure if you need to cool off any, but when my blood boils, I don't get mad, I get even by doing something about it.

Steven

[Bravehearts.us]

Just don’t know how I would do that at work without jeopardizing my job,
Lar

[nitrox]

Just my 2p, but maybe it's time you started looking for another job. Yet man, that's Wisconsin, can't really say I know too many places that wouldn't object to the type of clothing you want to wear.

[Kilted_John]

Lar,

It might be time to find a different place. Maybe one that's actually in the 'puter field. There's less of a chance that there would be a dress code at one of those companies. And, for the last week of working at your current job, just go unbifurcated.

-J

[iain]

wear a see-through top. let's see them re-regulate their way out of that.. what are they going to say, that women can wear see-through stuff but men can't?

[Steven]

Just don’t know how I would do that at work without jeopardizing my job,
Lar

Well first I would check your employment laws, when I did my check on Wisconsin for my discrimination claim, there were some anti-discrimination laws written.

Laws for the public and laws for business however tends to be two different things. So I would check and see if businesses in your area can discriminate based on sex. If they can't, then there's your lever.

If they can, then it's research and letter writing time, write to your councilman, the mayor, your congressman, the ACLU, etc etc and raise your concerns over sex discrimination in your workplace. Don't forget about us, many of us have written to the people on some of the stories we see here and put our .02c in and possibly effected tolerance and change. We may not be the government, or some other big lobbying organization, but we can still have our voices heard.

In legal terms, and in your case, this is sex discrimination, not gender discrimination or gender expression, it's not the same thing.

Most employers can only enforce dress codes based on health and safety, not sex.

You can also look into heritage, if you have any thread of Scottish ancestry, you can go on cultural uniform.

If your company does anything with the government it may also loose business if it does not meet federal diversification laws in the workplace. Not allowing diversity, even if it's a male wearing a skirt, is subject to this.

The knee jerk reaction you received while typical of what we see, was uncalled for and done without thought.

There are several female cases out there in which companies lost in trying to stereotype females into certain roles, ambiance, demeanor, and clothing. There's no reason these same cases cannot be used to help males achieve the same level of diversity.

Good Luck,

Steven

[Bravehearts.us]

Lar,

It might be time to find a different place. Maybe one that's actually in the 'puter field. There's less of a chance that there would be a dress code at one of those companies. And, for the last week of working at your current job, just go unbifurcated.

-J

Oh, believe me, when I’m close to done at my place of work, they are going to see a totally different person. As a matter of fact, I was thinking that when I’m about to retire, instead I’ll wear a MUG and refuse to change so when they fire me I’ll go to court.
Lar

[Bravehearts.us]

Lar,

It might be time to find a different place. Maybe one that's actually in the 'puter field. There's less of a chance that there would be a dress code at one of those companies. And, for the last week of working at your current job, just go unbifurcated.

-J

I'm in the 'puter field John, but sometimes I wonder about that.
Lar

[Bravehearts.us]

Steven,
We have this big “DIVERSITY” thing going on at work and we actually have to go through the training. My supervisor and my boss, then, went to bat for me and reminded corporate of their big so-called interest in this diversity but they said it had nothing to do with diversity. My employer is the largest employer next to the state of Wisconsin itself. The fighting went on for a couple of months and the company was so upset about it that they rewrote the dress code for the whole corporation. (Because of little old me) For all the money they spent on the rewriting, they could have given me a big raise, saved a lot of money and I would have forgotten about it…………..for now….he, he….I don’t mind being a prostitute for a while.
What started the whole thing is another manager who saw me in the hall and went to Human Resources about it. He was under my boss at the time and got a good reaming out for confronting me in the hall and going to HR. But the kicker is, and you ain’t gonna’ believe this……..HE IS NOW MY BOSS!!!
Lar

[Kilted_John]

Ick... IIRC, aren't you working for a hospital in the IT field? Or is it actually a computer-related business? Anyway, I'd start looking for a different job. Get hired on, give your current employer two-weeks notice, then don't wear pants or even shorts for the whole time.

-J

[Steven]

Steven,
We have this big “DIVERSITY” thing going on at work and we actually have to go through the training. My supervisor and my boss, then, went to bat for me and reminded corporate of their big so-called interest in this diversity but they said it had nothing to do with diversity. My employer is the largest employer next to the state of Wisconsin itself. The fighting went on for a couple of months and the company was so upset about it that they rewrote the dress code for the whole corporation. (Because of little old me) For all the money they spent on the rewriting, they could have given me a big raise, saved a lot of money and I would have forgotten about it…………..for now….he, he….I don’t mind being a prostitute for a while.
What started the whole thing is another manager who saw me in the hall and went to Human Resources about it. He was under my boss at the time and got a good reaming out for confronting me in the hall and going to HR. But the kicker is, and you ain’t gonna’ believe this……..HE IS NOW MY BOSS!!!
Lar

If they rewrote it and discriminated between the sex's, then it's sex discrimination, you can't claim diversity but then take it away based on sex.

As for the person who complained, if he said or did anything that kept you from moving up, then you have legal ground to stand on, if of course there is any proof. A person's personal opinion of someone else has no bearing if the person in question is doing satisfactory work.

We've seen this time and again when a good worker all of a sudden gets bad reviews when something is found out about them and then subsequently fired for something other then work performance.

I know this is after the fact, but if they didn't have a dress code before, and then wanted one because I was wearing a kilt, I would have been wearing one every single day until they put it in black and white that I wasn't allowed. After which I would have started the legal ball rolling in taking the discrimination out.

As for for your new boss, I'd wear a kilt anyways, and when he raises a fuss you already have previous proof that he is the troublemaker and not you. Just because theres an accident when someone is walking down the sidewalk wearing a skirt doesn't make them responsable for it.

Employmet based sex discrimination needs to be put to a stop as much as public discrimination.

I did some reading, unfortunately Wisconsin doesn't have anything in black and white about the dress code being applied equaly between the sexes. Which makes dress code stereotyping based on sex legal. However, there are some federal cases which ruled positivly over sex discrimination cases based on attire.

This is kind of tough after the fact type thing, and amazes me more that even though they wen't through the whole diversity thing, they still demand stereotypical attire.

One of the only so called problems with non-traditional attire is that it's a choice, it's not a skin color or birth defect your born with. Nor is it a religion you believe in, how can it ever be a choice when no-one will ever let you choose it?

Ok Lar, ya stumped me, I guess I would go back to HR and say "Hey, I'm a guy and I want the choice in wearing a kilt to work if I so wish."

You can provide facts, suppliers, styles, history, whatever, mostly you can say you'd be a happier and more productive worker if you had more clothing freedom.

Steven

[talon2mech]

Take pictures of "acceptable female attire" especially the mini skirt as evidence. If your dress code does not use gender specific language wear the same outfit as that chick. Make sure you have your evidence, a photo of yourself on the day in question and an official copy of the dress code then threaten/pursue a discrimination lawsuit.

[Bravehearts.us]

I’ll try and answer everyone’s questions and comments in one post. I would have to get permission from HR to bring a camera into work to take pictures. They would never grant that permission. The woman I spoke about wasn’t dressed anything like that the next day. I would have to bring a camera in every day to catch her.
Yes I work in a hospital…many actually; in the IT Department. It IS a computer business I work in but it’s not strictly a computer company.
There are many things I would like to do to shove it in their faces, Steven, but I have to balance the stress in my life. As you know my wife has a terminal illness (Alpha1 Deficiency http://www.spiderspun.net ) so I have to be very concerned about my income and especially insurance. There is no way I can pay for her lung transplant without insurance. My responsibilities many times keep me from being the rebel I use to be outwardly. If it wasn’t for those constraints I’m sure I would be in the news. LOL
Soooo many of your comments in these posts are very good and thought provoking. They are something I will keep for future reference when I feel I can act on the frustrations most of us feel. Maybe by then society and the law will change a little, making it a little easier to fight these injustices.
Lar

[Since1982]

The IT department? Is that where IT works too? And which IT are we talking about? I could go on and on about things/people/substances I refer to as simply IT......Like this IT is not a flag, IT is my old underpants>>:whiteflag