What women really think

[Damon]

c r friend wrote

The operative thought should be here, "Would I behave in this manner in a public setting?" or, "Would an otherwise sane person behave so in a public setting?", and if the answer comes up as a "No" then ask the needed questions of the needed parties.

I agree entirely. Unfortunately, in Canada at the moment, such a straightforwardly sane approach seems to be beyond the ability of the authorities.

My fear has been stated by others else where in Skirt Cafe, that society is going backwards in its attitudes and it may one day be impossible for a man to go outside his home wearing anything but conventional male clothing. One of the reasons for that is aggressive transgenderism, largely by people who are not transgender but perhaps more transvestite. And it being taken to ridiculous extremes such as permitting and protecting a 50 year old man to expose himself to young girls on the insane premise that he identifies as a young girl.

I imagine and hope that every man participating in Skirt Cafe would be mortified to discover they had accidentally indecently exposed themselves to a child, and would certainly not go out of their way to do it repeatedly to several young girls. Nor would any sane person condone it. Yet here in Canada the authorities appear to do.

We also seem to be forgetting that Skirt Cafe

is NOT a transvestite or crossdresser forum. We are committed to a fundamentally masculine gender identity --- masculine name and pronouns.

Let us hope we do not return to the bad old days of 'Queer bashing' and men being arrested and even imprisoned for wearing female clothes.

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[Faldaguy]

There seems as in most of these things to be an emphasis on trigger words; assumptions of the worst-- without much regard for getting complete data.

My hackles went up with mention of Megan Kelly and the Charlie Kirk show; with ex Fox news host -- entities prone to boast, hoax, lies and slander.

I do not know if any of that applies here, but limited research states the 50 year person was and had been openly transgender for over a decade; is/was a teacher and psychologist with no criminal or mental health record. The person had not had SRS, thus it is certainly suspect male genitalia may have been visible -- but if that arose to blatantly exposing some particular portion of the body, I don't know -- more loaded words and assumptions. The police were called -- but did not respond because the "problem" was resolved by the facility at the time of the "incident", where the person was, and presumable had for years, been using the the facility in accordance with their guidelines for people to use the lockeroom with which they identified. The person in question had been a competitive swimmer for many years and though the competition had younger participants in other events, the event (1500 meters) in which this person participated was for 'adults' 16 and over in age.

I am not commenting upon agreement/disagreement or otherwise with the particulars of the event and the constraints that have been imposed, but I do not think it behooves us to reiterate and exploit language designed to inflame. If I am going to add any raw challenge, it might go to the thread raised on this site about decorum and privacy concerns in the loo -- where I questioned if the puritan view of bodies was not more a hinderance to our social fabric than adapting a more naturist viewpoint.

[Barleymower]

If the pandemic taught me one thing, it is this: "we are given the information the media wants us to see". Human's are easily manipulated. There was a massive rise in transgenderism then suddenly it was stopped. It was stopped because because it was perceived that predatory males were entering women spaces. Further, transwomen like Lia Thomas were entering and winning women's swimming competitions.

I ask myself this "who wanted it stopped? What did they have to gain?" I don't believe it had anything to do with predatory males. I think they wanted the growth in transgenderism stopped in it's tracks. And it worked.

As for female spaces. I regularly use Paignton' Keywest water Park in the summer and there is only one changing room. Everyone uses it; Men, Women and children. If there were any impropriety, decent men and women would put a stop to it quickly. The way it should be. Men are not animals and women do not need to be kept safe. We should all be able to live together.

That's the way a community should work. What happened to our communities and who destroyed them?

[Damon]

The voice of reason. Wha a great post!

Barleymower posted:

If the pandemic taught me one thing, it is this: "we are given the information the media wants us to see". Human's are easily manipulated. There was a massive rise in transgenderism then suddenly it was stopped. It was stopped because because it was perceived that predatory males were entering women spaces. Further, transwomen like Lia Thomas were entering and winning women's swimming competitions.

I ask myself this "who wanted it stopped? What did they have to gain?" I don't believe it had anything to do with predatory males. I think they wanted the growth in transgenderism stopped in it's tracks. And it worked.

As for female spaces. I regularly use Paignton' Keywest water Park in the summer and there is only one changing room. Everyone uses it; Men, Women and children. If there were any impropriety, decent men and women would put a stop to it quickly. The way it should be. Men are not animals and women do not need to be kept safe. We should all be able to live together.

That's the way a community should work. What happened to our communities and who destroyed them?

Nothing more to be said really.

[STEVIE]

Let us hope we do not return to the bad old days of 'Queer bashing' and men being arrested and even imprisoned for wearing female clothes.

There are countries in the world where being "queer" ie non conforming and different can get you legally imprisoned or even executed.

I do not know if any of that applies here, but limited research states the 50 year person was and had been openly transgender for over a decade; is/was a teacher and psychologist with no criminal or mental health record. The person had not had SRS, thus it is certainly suspect male genitalia may have been visible -- but if that arose to blatantly exposing some particular portion of the body, I don't know -- more loaded words and assumptions. The police were called -- but did not respond because the "problem" was resolved by the facility at the time of the "incident", where the person was, and presumable had for years, been using the the facility in accordance with their guidelines for people to use the lockeroom with which they identified. The person in question had been a competitive swimmer for many years and though the competition had younger participants in other events, the event (1500 meters) in which this person participated was for 'adults' 16 and over in age.

This is the context that you missed that leads to public anger, queer bashing and death.
Skirt Cafe and the MIS movement may not be aligned with cross-dressing or transgenderism, but nor is it about promoting any kind of intolerance either.
Furthermore, the Cross-Dressers and Transgendered communities occupy very different camps too, which your original post seemed to indicate that you weren't fully aware.

You must see it is wrong to force young girls who just want to swim to share a changing room with a middle aged man. Unless you believe that sort of thing is okay, I think you should consider apologizing for misrepresenting me.

Stop peddling half truths out of context as fact and I will gladly apologise.
However, on this occasion I don't consider it warranted.

Nothing more to be said really.

On this, I concur. Steve.

[mr seamstress]

How bathrooms get to separated by one sex? Since there is conversation about males into female zones, I thought this info might be interesting.

https://files.eqcf.org/wp-content/uploa ... ebates.pdf

There is always going to debate this issue about who has the right to what is male privacy zone, and female privacy zone; who is included in these zones.

[jamie001]

Excuse me!

One of the responses to this thread got to me. Please note that not all of us here on the Cafe have a masculine gender identity. Some of us are more feminine and should be respected as such. There is nothing wrong with being a feminine male and expressing femininity in the clothing and accessories that we wear. Please do not let Daddy Donnie influence this forum by making statements that we only support masculine identities here on the Cafe. It is a step backward and is consistent with CR’s fears of our country reverting back to the 1950’s.