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[Barleymower]

I think one way to tell if we are gaining traction is to see how many skirts come up for sale on ebay and what products are selling.
Today on ebay there are 1570000 womens skirts for sale. There are 2200 mens skirts.
If those figures improve over the next year we know we are winning.
Btw the way it is arranged in the mens dept is mostly:
1. Kilts
2. Fancy dress
3. Long skirts
4. Sissy clothes
5. One or two normal skirts.
Ill check back in a year and see if it changes

[mr seamstress]

I think one to tell if we are gaining traction is to see how many skirts come up for sale on ebay and what products are selling.

If you had the inside information of all retailers sale's records would give big clue as well. If eBay seen there was a growing market for sales of skirts to men, I'm sure they would get their retailers in line, so they all make a big profit. At Walmart their line of skirts this year have bigger options compare to prier years.

[Barleymower]

Societally speaking when only money matters; there's nothing to gain from liberating men. They will only get the wrong idea.
Women on the other hand took on male roles, left the home and became taxpayers rather than home makers.
A few quid on clothes doesn't compare to the loss in revenue if men neglected their reponsibilities.

[denimini]

Ebay could be an indication although it could be interpreted as women are selling their skirts because they are not wearing them and men are hanging on to any skirts they have.

[Uncle Al]

IMHO, we should promote the Library Place when it comes to men's fashion.

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Uncle Al

[crfriend]

"... closed mouths and open minds." What a beautiful concept1

Too bad it'll never catch on.

[Faldaguy]

I think one way to tell if we are gaining traction is to see how many skirts come up for sale on ebay and what products are selling.
Today on ebay there are 1570000 womens skirts for sale. There are 2200 mens skirts.
If those figures improve over the next year we know we are winning.
Btw the way it is arranged in the mens dept is mostly:
1. Kilts
2. Fancy dress
3. Long skirts
4. Sissy clothes
5. One or two normal skirts.
Ill check back in a year and see if it changes

This strikes me as horrible logic. The label "men" or "women's" tell us nothing other than most people fall into the category of thinking clothing has a gender. Nor does it say boo about who is buying what -- are the buyers men for themselves, or their girlfriends; likewise for any other buyer -- we don't know their gender.

What about the dozen or so countries where some form of a skirt is relatively common on males, but eBay is not a platform -- yes, eBay is not everywhere. It is nice seeing some 'pods' where more men are showing up in public in non-traditional clothing for their region; as I gather we are beginning to see in London; but surely the focus needs to be as simple as Steve frequently posts -- just put on your skirt and wear it out. Agonizing over all the tidbits ain't gonna move the marker.

[Barleymower]

This strikes me as horrible logic. The label "men" or "women's" tell us nothing other than most people fall into the category of thinking clothing has a gender. Nor does it say boo about who is buying what -- are the buyers men for themselves, or their girlfriends; likewise for any other buyer -- we don't know their gender.

What about the dozen or so countries where some form of a skirt is relatively common on males, but eBay is not a platform -- yes, eBay is not everywhere. It is nice seeing some 'pods' where more men are showing up in public in non-traditional clothing for their region; as I gather we are beginning to see in London; but surely the focus needs to be as simple as Steve frequently posts -- just put on your skirt and wear it out. Agonizing over all the tidbits ain't gonna move the marker.

Horrible logic it might be but also plain to see. We can keep telling ourselves what we want hear but the numbers don't lie

They are labelled that way because that's how they see it. Like it or not. If I could change it I would.

Ebay is not everywhere but it is where I and most of the SC exist. The rest the world? How would I know? The attitude seems to be universal though. ie wear skirt if you want, the world doesn't care about men.

I live my life as I choose. I wear what I want when I want. I'm out and about freqently in a skirt and happy if I get the odd complement. I live near London and I'm there often. You see so many different styles on the streets that you can't be judgmental.

What I want to see is a shift in attitudes. The market place does not lie. They see skirts are for women. Maybe next year we will see the number of skirts in the women's dept down. I think that's possible. Women are moving away from skirts. Men are wearing more skirts. It's a focus on trends that's all and nothing to get in a spin about.

In more positive news. I went to Primark yesterday. I got some nice 30d tights for £4. I walked my dog in them this morning for 4 miles and they stayed up. The mens dept was dire but they have some nice marvel etc tees that you don't find in the womens, some polos and second hand jumpers. Back to the womens (vast) sextion. I saw some nice jumpers/cardis which are shorter in length. I also saw some baggy jeans which I might get. Didn't see much in skirts and dresses but with 1.5m to choose from online (in one site only), who cares? Personally i prefer vinted to get my second hand skirts. They also use 'inpost' lockers which is by far the best way to pick up purchases.

[STEVIE]

Of ALL the male skirted garments from around the world, not one has anything to do with de-gendering clothes or fashion freedom for men in the broadest sense.
Every one of them is as prescriptive as trousers, in essence, take it or leave it!
I had a look in E-bay "men's kilts", that threw up 17,000 entries.
The power of semantics, cultural falsehoods and cheap knock-offs all rolled into one.
Steve.
My positive note, 2 new dresses for Christmas.

[Barleymower]

17k knock off kilts and 2200 mens skirts. Thus proving the knock off kilt is not a skirt. It isn't a kilt either.
Btw i'm not a fan of 'mens skirts' they are nearly all boring althougth i totslly get why men wear them.

[SatinDea]

Barley mower - I agree with you .I’m not a fan of mens skirts. I want to wear what the women wear.

I don’t see the attraction of denim skirts or plain material . I have wondered whether to get a kilt but as they are intended for men, I’ve decided it’s not me.

I prefer to wear a skirt made from softer materials, such as satin or silk. It’s nice to have lace to enhance the skirt or satin top and that to me is my clothing of choice.

I am fighting opinion from my wife as well as public opinion in my endeavours.

Whilst in France on holiday this summer I bought three pairs of brightly coloured Indian Silk trousers from the market. The only people wearing these were women. Lots of them wearing around the resort. I thoroughly enjoyed wearing mine in 30 degree heat instead of shorts. My wife didn’t like them and said they were for women.

There was nothing in the market to suggest they were for women and two gentlemen were happy to serve me. They also sold me a black satin midi skirt which I also enjoyed wearing around the shops and this resulted in a female shop assistant allowing me to try on a silk beach boho dress. sadly I didn’t buy the dress. But wear the midi skirt presumably broke down the barrier and notion that the depress was just for women. She even took my photo at her suggestion. I thanked her and nothing more was said. Just as if i had tried on a pair of shorts.

I spent an evening with my wife and two holiday neighbours wearing one pair of the brightly coloured Indian silk trousers. They were highly patterned with gold inlayed. As my wife hated them I ended going out in shorts and changing once out of the holiday complex, before popping into the resort for shopping or a beer. I had loads of looks. But that was it. Two other pairs of the silk highly patterned trousers are very flared at the bottom and look like skirts. They are glorious to wear. But I didn’t get to wesr them on holiday. May be next year.

The material from which the skirt or trousers are made seems to count for a lot when deciding if the item is too feminine or not.Then the lace pushes it towards female. Hundreds of years ago that was not how it was.

So i just need a nice top to with my female skirts. I don’t think I will buy denim or heavy material skirts as they are not to my liking.

[Faldaguy]

My only argument SatinDea is: They--- Ain't "FEMALE" skirts --- they are simply skirts.

[Barleymower]

My only argument SatinDea is: They--- Ain't "FEMALE" skirts --- they are simply skirts.

I completely agree Faldaguy, clothes are for everyone.

[SatinDea]

My only argument SatinDea is: They--- Ain't "FEMALE" skirts --- they are simply skirts.

Sorry, yes absolutely agreed. After trying to make my point I undermined my own statement. Thanks Faldaguy

[STEVIE]

17k knock off kilts and 2200 mens skirts. Thus proving the knock off kilt is not a skirt. It isn't a kilt either.
Btw i'm not a fan of 'mens skirts' they are nearly all boring althougth i totslly get why men wear them.

The kilt, knock off or, modern facsimile is a skirt!
The retailers and wearers just can't come to terms with it. one for money and the other with a shaky take on masculinity.
I've said before, the perfect stealth skirt, hidden in plain sight for the guy who is unable to admit what he really wants.
Hell, yesterday I was walking down our main street in a dark green a-line skirt with knee length tan boots and a lady asked what kind of kilt I was wearing.
She was definitely Scots so I told her, the truth!
Steve.