I don't want to be labeled

[crfriend]

My thoughts exactly Carl. Trouble is people actually fall for it.

That's why it's such a useful tool -- and precisely why it's deployed -- It works! And its usage is almost universal which is why critical thinkers need to be carefully aware of when they're being manipulated.

Here's a good example:

Women are fed up with men. Men have bullied women for a very long time and now finally they are breaking free of the bonds of men. They know they can wear whatever they want and men are dressed in drab. They don't care! As far as many women are concerned men done this to themselves.

That's a beautiful example of what the man-hating radical "feminists" are pushing -- and pushing hard -- and it's gained believability because of its constant repetition. Recall Josef Goebbels and his comment, "Tell a big enough lie and tell if often enough and it becomes real."

The raw truth behind this is that, like most other matters, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and that posits that the overwhelming majority of men are perfectly good loving husbands, brothers, partners, and fathers -- the rotters are the outliers (the > 3 standard deviations from the mean), and that number is fortunately small. This has led men -- who know the reality -- to essentially now regard the game as rigged (at best, or a con at worst), and may be one of the reasons for the current "interest" in matters "trans-*". After all, who wants what's on offer for men these days? I know I don't find it particularly appetising or interesting,

[MrSoapsud]

Recall Josef Goebbels and his comment, "Tell a big enough lie and tell if often enough and it becomes real."

Ah - that's where Donald got the idea from!!

[Susie]

We have had a recent case where a male, convicted of sexual offences against cis women, turned round and claimed to be a trans woman which is why he was in 'female spaces' and that he should go to a female prison.

These things happen, rare probably, but they happen.

Men denying / belittling womens problems doesn't help genuine women (cis or trans) feel safe around men.

(anyone thinking a women's prison would be an easier ride doesn't know very much about women)

[crfriend]

We have had a recent case where a male, convicted of sexual offences against cis women, turned round and claimed to be a trans woman which is why he was in 'female spaces' and that he should go to a female prison.

The answer here is, "No. What we have is a predator that needs to be confined and taught the error of his ways." Full stop. I would show no quarter to these types -- of any sex or persuasion.

These things happen, rare probably, but they happen.

There's the magic -- and the curse -- of numbers. Once the numbers get large enough the off-normals tend to show up more frequently for the simple reason that there are just more of them.

Men denying / belittling womens problems doesn't help genuine women (cis or trans) feel safe around men.

Absolutely not, and I was not angling in that direction. I'm a supporter of finding out who the miscreants are, trying them as common criminals, and putting them away for increasing amounts of time per offence, ultimately ending up with life behind bars as being irredeemable.

However, I focus most on the middle to upper end of the bell curves, as that's where the interesting types are found. Unattached ones in that region are also rarer than hens' teeth -- because everybody's already paired off stably and happily -- which is the way I suppose it should be.

Interestingly, it's possible to form friendships at the Platonic level, which is nice, but the jump to intimacy is difficult and fraught with peril (as I've learnt over the past decade); thus, a common reaction is to just give up, which I've done.

[Midas]

That argument works for those ‘undergoing transition’, although what that amounts to is variously defined.

The judgment was really about self identification as whatever (woman, dog ape, dining table etc) without any change, physical or otherwise. These people then claim the right to use female only facilities. They were supported by politicians and others and this case knocked that in the head.

A large number of people chose to self identify, including at least one convicted rapist, while the number of genuinely trans (as opposed to wannabes) is very small.

What is actually wrong with the courts upholding the rights of millions of women, rather than favouring a tiny minority?

[Faldaguy]

That argument works for those ‘undergoing transition’, although what that amounts to is variously defined.

The judgment was really about self identification as whatever (woman, dog ape, dining table etc) without any change, physical or otherwise. These people then claim the right to use female only facilities. They were supported by politicians and others and this case knocked that in the head.

A large number of people chose to self identify, including at least one convicted rapist, while the number of genuinely trans (as opposed to wannabes) is very small.

What is actually wrong with the courts upholding the rights of millions of women, rather than favouring a tiny minority?

As to ratio of "genuine" trans to 'wannabes' in any given region/country -- I have no idea; however, "rights" should apply to minorities as well as "millions of women" without regard to extraneous factors. That is, trans people should be able to enjoy the same provisions of law as anyone else. The culprits -- men, women, "dog-ape or dining table" are merely another element of the vast confused and criminal elements of society--and they need to be treated with the same help or punishment anyone else would encounter. To isolate those who are trans from the civilities we should extend to all beings is as wrong as "protecting" any group or class differentially than everyone else. We will not cure criminal or creepy behavior by taking rights or decency away from anyone --even if they are a tiny minority. We do need to impose appropriate sanctions for inappropriate behavior regardless of what is between their legs -- but not for being "a woman, dog, ape or....".

[Susie]

Susie wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 12:05 am
We have had a recent case where a male, convicted of sexual offences against cis women, turned round and claimed to be a trans woman which is why he was in 'female spaces' and that he should go to a female prison.

The answer here is, "No. What we have is a predator that needs to be confined and taught the error of his ways." Full stop. I would show no quarter to these types -- of any sex or persuasion.

Exactly - which is why I used the phrase ' claimed to be'.

Absolutely not, and I was not angling in that direction. I'm a supporter of finding out who the miscreants are, trying them as common criminals, and putting them away for increasing amounts of time per offence, ultimately ending up with life behind bars as being irredeemable.

Apologies Carl, I did not mean to imply you did, I was( possibly being a hypocrite, sorry BM) refering to men as a section of society, past and present.

[crfriend]

Apologies Carl, I did not mean to imply you did, I was( possibly being a hypocrite, sorry BM) refering to men as a section of society, past and present.

No offence taken -- and certainly none offered. The main point is that as we tend to look askance at the seedier end of civilisation we wind up over-attributing certain behaviours to the "normal" band of society that (1) doesn't typically exhibit those behaviours and (2) gets hurt when painted in those colours. This is why we need to avoid a lot of the incendiary rhetoric that's so glibly tossed around.

For every single predator "out there" there are likely several hundreds of thousands of perfectly regular civilised people who are aghast at the behaviour of the predator. So, all tarring and feathering "most" or "many" men as such is statistically inaccurate and damaging to all men, not just the ones that deserve it. Those who would control our minds have a vast array of tools at their disposal -- and they're not hesitant to use them. It's all about power and control.