New to the cafe, a bit about myself.

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Re: New to the cafe, a bit about myself.

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Welcome, Kevino from Illinois, USA. I wear skirts out and about almost all the time and have had little ridicule. I'll join others here in encouraging you to venture out more.
Barleymower wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:13 am My own view of skirt wearing for men is to be yourself.
I have a different view. I don't see that doing what you like to do is the same as being yourself. I like to wear skirts. I also care about other people and my relationships with them. If I were convinced that wearing skirts hurt others, hurt my relationships, or was somehow wrong in another way (such as if the much-discussed Leviticus passage meant what some of our critics say it does), then to quit wearing skirts would be no less being myself.
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Jim wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:08 pm Welcome, Kevino from Illinois, USA. I wear skirts out and about almost all the time and have had little ridicule. I'll join others here in encouraging you to venture out more.
Barleymower wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:13 am My own view of skirt wearing for men is to be yourself.
I have a different view. I don't see that doing what you like to do is the same as being yourself. I like to wear skirts. I also care about other people and my relationships with them. If I were convinced that wearing skirts hurt others, hurt my relationships, or was somehow wrong in another way (such as if the much-discussed Leviticus passage meant what some of our critics say it does), then to quit wearing skirts would be no less being myself.
I don't entirely disagree Jim but I do have a different perspective.
I was thinking about what Stevie said when he first started wearing skirts. He said he felt like he had to wear what you might call 'drag' or be a 'transvestite'. He said he realised he could just wear what he wants and keep the beard. You can wear what you want and be yourself - no disguise.
Could wearing a skirt hurt your relationships? The only way that could happen is if someone else demanded you change your attire, possiblly wearing a skirt or dress themsleves at the time. Nobody owns clothes, we all have the right to dress as we choose.
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Barleymower wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:46 pmCould wearing a skirt hurt your relationships? The only way that could happen is if someone else demanded you change your attire, possiblly wearing a skirt or dress themsleves at the time. Nobody owns clothes, we all have the right to dress as we choose.
Yes. Absolutely yes. In fact, it was one of the things that destroyed my last attempt at a romantic relationship.

Why so? It was the constant badgering by my prospective SO that I "be more normal". Wearing skirts is only one way that I'm NOT "normal; there are plenty more. In this, I am drawn to a quote by an American Psychologist, Karl Meninger:
The adjuration to be "normal" seems shockingly repellent to me; I see neither hope nor comfort in sinking to that low level. I think it is ignorance that makes people think of abnormality only with horror and allows them to remain undismayed at the proximity of "normal" to average and mediocre. For surely anyone who achieves anything is, essentially, abnormal.
which very much sums up what I am and have been for much of my life. I am NOT "normal", "average", nor "mediocre". I excel at what I do. I cannot help that, nor will I dumb myself down to "normal".

So, absolutely yes, skirts helped scuttle that attempt. 'Tis just as well as we were incompatible at other levels, too, But, yes, donning a skirt tends to remove male candidates from the "breeding pool". Sad as it is.
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Re: New to the cafe, a bit about myself.

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The drift of this conversation has moved to challenging topics that have had much coverage in other threads; can and will again -- but hopefully will not 'scare the skirts' off our new members before they are set to don them, with bombs like -- you'll be banned from the breeding pool.

Indeed, the personal experiences one has tend to convince us of their validity -- but generalization from limited data tends to produce shabby results. Carl did provide the Menninger quote & used the phrase "tends to remove", hopefully my comments add depth, not controversy.

Though several on this site have spoken to challenges with finding or keeping mates, others have enduring or found relationships. With our focus on skirts, we tend to believe that is the sole basis for peoples responses to us. I would grant being a man in a skirt does elevate your exposure, MIS's are likely remarkable in many other ways which will impact our relationships. On the positive side, my reading of comments on this site suggests that most of the men here who have taken up wearing skirts appear more thoughtful, intelligent, and had already developed a persona that is "different" from the "norm", even before skirts became a factor in their lives.

We all have many factor that make us compatible or not; and any stepping outside of the so-called 'norm' will put a bullseye on us. Our attractiveness to others is measured by hundreds of factors, and many remarkable ones -- age, education, appearance, wealth, color, religion, hobbies, voice, social/psycho makeup, health, family, choice of car, home, job -- the list goes on -- each factor cuts a few more candidates from the pool of those that might be compatible mates. I would suggest there may not be a single one of us on this site that is a "normy" member of the great unwashed, and thus our pool of candidates for love, or anything may be a bit more curtailed than for people who settle for being average, fitting in, and doing what is expected of them without thinking.

Being somewhat unique is not bad. Being a MIS is only one 'added' factor, not the sole or even the most significant one -- and certainly not one upon which we have an adequate sample to extrapolate we have been removed from the breeding grounds. I concur it could be argued that in this current time being a MIS places more restrictions on finding a romantic partner -- not because of our skirts, but because the greater population is afraid of stepping outside of their rut of conformity. Pragmatically the results may be similar, but the skirt is not the cause; and with more MIS the equation will change.

Apologies to Kevino 19 for the drift. I hope you stick with us to find the answers you seek, and perhaps to add one more body to that 3% transformative pool that will make MIS the ladies romantic goal!
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Re: New to the cafe, a bit about myself.

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Well said Faldaguy.
I would add: there is more to finding a mate than wearing trousers. Charm, wit, fun, strength all play a part. And a bit of chemistry.
A well dressed, fresh washed man in a skirt will do better in romatic endeavours than a man in unkempt clothes.
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