Trump was shot!

[timemeddler]

Hey were are all the Deuteronomy 22:5 people on this? Those female agents are taking jobs from Men, AND wearing Men's Clothes!

[Coder]

Hey were are all the Deuteronomy 22:5 people on this? Those female agents are taking jobs from Men, AND wearing Men's Clothes!

[Fred in Skirts]

OK, We have had enough of the political Bull Crap.
Let's get back to what this forum is about "Skirts and men wearing them".


Thank You!!

[Elisabetta]

OK, We have had enough of the political Bull Crap.
Let's get back to what this forum is about "Skirts and men wearing them".


Thank You!!

Carl am sure has been monitoring this. Everyone has an option not to read certain threads. I wasn't aiming for this to turn into anything political. Everyone here is being civil for once on what they're talking about and for what it's worth this world needs God. This is not an attack to those who don't believe in him I love you anyways.

How many times can people speak on men in Skirts before there's nothing left to talk about? After awhile everyone will say everything there is to say about MIS.

Anyways on a positive note I hope you're doing well Fred.

[Ray]

This post is in Off Topic.

It’s being moderated - so I don’t see the issue.

For my part, I think that despite my views of Trump (unprintable, and not for this forum), he does not deserve to be shot. Anything wrong he has done should be judged by the courts (no exemptions) without interference. The shooter is not - and cannot be - the judge here.

[FranTastic444]

The problem... in a nutshell, is that among many Christians, Trump has replaced Christ. Oh they'll never admit it, however coming from the Bible belt of America I can tell you this: You're safer to be an open aithiest than anti-Trump. I speak from experience, my discussions about Wicca and separation of church and state were better received by the Bible belt populous than my claims that Trump might not be all that swell a guy.

This weekend, I shall be watching God and Country. This documentary consists exclusively of interviews with people of religion.

[Elisabetta]

The problem... in a nutshell, is that among many Christians, Trump has replaced Christ. Oh they'll never admit it, however coming from the Bible belt of America I can tell you this: You're safer to be an open aithiest than anti-Trump. I speak from experience, my discussions about Wicca and separation of church and state were better received by the Bible belt populous than my claims that Trump might not be all that swell a guy.

This weekend, I shall be watching God and Country. This documentary consists exclusively of interviews with people of religion.

Where can you watch this documentary at?

[FranTastic444]

Where can you watch this documentary at?

I believe it is free (with adverts) on Prime. Not sure if the other streaming platforms have it.

[Uncle Al]

The best way to solve political issues is to get out and vote.

Political Violence must not be tolerated by anyone

ANY political party that lowers itself to this level of attacks on their opponents,
needs to understand that they will lose members.
It is morally, and ethically, WRONG
If a political party resorts to this, where did their moral compass and ethics go
Did they have any moral ethics to begin with

Uncle Al

[FranTastic444]

ANY political party that lowers itself to this level of attacks on their opponents,
needs to understand that they will lose members.
It is morally, and ethically, WRONG
If a political party resorts to this, where did their moral compass and ethics go
Did they have any moral ethics to begin with

Uncle Al

Agreed, but on this occasion I think we could well be dealing with a lone wolf who was looking for fame / infamy who most likely had no real political conviction or affiliation.

The thing that immediately sprang to my mind when some Republicans made hand of God / divine intervention comments re the assassination attempt is "how would I react to that if I was a family member of the guy in the crowd that died?" Related article here.

I heard an interesting fact on a documentary that I was watching last night. The point that was being made was that the religious right makes the assertion that the US was fashioned and founded on a bedrock of Christianity and the liberal use of the phrase "In God we Trust" has been held up as an example. It was interesting to hear that this phrase only came into widespread use in the 1950's (in terms of being on money in particular, but also becoming the official motto of the USA) as a reaction to Communism. More info here.

[Elisabetta]

The best way to solve political issues is to get out and vote.

Political Violence must not be tolerated by anyone

ANY political party that lowers itself to this level of attacks on their opponents,
needs to understand that they will lose members.
It is morally, and ethically, WRONG
If a political party resorts to this, where did their moral compass and ethics go
Did they have any moral ethics to begin with

Uncle Al

That's what Moon said as far as your first Statement goes however we don't really honestly have good people to choose from in this Election. I mean no disrespect at all UA in this statement I'm fixing to make. We have one former President that was convicted on 56 counts a Felon. Then we have the current President that couldn't even tie his shoe without falling asleep. This country needs better and as a Christian no man should ever come before God not even Trump.

[Elisabetta]

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[moonshadow]

Well, you can kill Trump, but you can't kill Trumpism. It's fully engrained in our culture now. Shooting him would have prevented Trump from being president, but it would have likely cemented Trumpism in our politics for generations to come.

There'd just be a Trump like candidate to take his place and he'd win by a landslide because humans love to support a martyr.

Unfortunately at this juncture, probably the only way to eliminate Trumpism is to let it have full rein. Give it all the power and let it destroy itself from within. It's not sustainable... it's a platform based on lies and circular logic, so it won't last long before it starts to collapse.

Give them enough rope and they'll eventually hang themselves. Sometimes you just gotta let the place burn down.

[FranTastic444]

Unfortunately at this juncture, probably the only way to eliminate Trumpism is to let it have full rein. Give it all the power and let it destroy itself from within. It's not sustainable... it's a platform based on lies and circular logic, so it won't last long before it starts to collapse.

Give them enough rope and they'll eventually hang themselves. Sometimes you just gotta let the place burn down.

Couldn't agree more, Andrea.

My understanding is that for many years, the two main parties have oscillated just left or just right of center. Trumpism has moved the needle more to the right than the recent norm and the likes of Saunders, Biden, AOC etc. have moved the needle more to the left of recent norm.

I see Trump round #2 as having parallels with Brexit. Decisive, polarizing and with roughly equal numbers for and against. The difference between Trump and Brexit is that with the latter it was more binary - with Trump there is a larger group of people "in the middle" who could go one way or the other. Pre the shooting, my money was on the independents handing victory (narrowly) to Biden largely on the back of the abortion issue, but I really think that recent events (the shooting plus Biden age and ailments) has probably tipped the balance slightly in Trump's direction as of this time of writing.

Like Brexit, I feel that Trumpism is something that needs to happen (either through Trump, or his anointed successor, JDV) because there are enough determined and influential people behind it who will continue to keep on pushing this agenda until they get what they want. The Tories tried to hold off their anti-Europe wing for many years, but there was a realization that it was pulling the party apart and that eventually they would have to "lance the boil".

If I were to dust off my crystal ball, I could see a situation in which Trump wins and we get to experience the full delivery of his vision, which is then continued by JDV, potentially over a 12-year period. But maybe by this time the parallels with Brexit and 14-years of Tory rule in the UK emerge. Immigration is vastly down in numbers but as a result, produce remains unpicked in the field, medical facilities, care homes and other industries cannot get enough workers. Trickle down economics hasn't made houses any cheaper nor are the number of people in poverty reduced. Economic factors such as fuel prices and inflation still come and go (these are factors that are notoriously outside the bounds of government control). And at some point, people will begin to ask whether the promised Utopia has been delivered? Brexit and MAGA are twins in the sense that they are concepts / visions that people can rally behind but where details of deliverables and methods are quite nebulous outside of the grand reduction in immigration numbers and "taking back control", whatever that means. Hard, cold reality lies between light-on-detail political visions and subsequent delivery and adherents to a cause will eventually want to see *their* vision of what they feel has been promised being delivered.

If the above were to come to fruition, we could again see parallels with the UK and there could be a swing in the opposite direction. Although Labour can claim a strong mandate given the numbers of seats they have from the latest election, I think that it was more of a case that the Tories were voted out than the new incumbents being voted in. I'm sure that if this situation came to pass, the Dems (given a big enough control of both chambers) would look to unambiguously enshrine in law some of the things that are dear to their ideology that have been struck down by the Supreme Court in recent years.

I will add as a footnote - I can see one big difference between Brexit and Trump round #1 compared to Trump round #2. In the case of Brexit and (to a slightly lesser degree) Trump 1, they were like the dog that chased the car and one day they caught it - "crap, now what do we do???" Trump 2 is *much* more organized in terms of what their vision is and how they want to deliver it.

[FranTastic444]

Biden is out of the race! Not sure whether enough independents will vote for a woman of color. That said, last polling I saw, Harris was getting similar numbers to Trump.