American men: Are you allowed to wear a skirt at work?

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jamie001 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:15 amAs long as men are viewed as superior to women, the double standard will continue to exist. Only when true equality has been achieved will the double standard be eliminated.
I don't know where you've been living for the past 60 years, but men were relegated to second-class status years ago and amount to little more than farm animals now. The rad-fems have won the battle. Those will need to be taken out before there can even be any hope of true equality.

At this point, I'm coming to the conclusion of, "just let the whole house of cards collapse". It's time, or perhaps a bit beyond time.
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CR,

I agree with your assessment that man have been relegated to being second class citizens, however that are some considerations that you may have missed:

The vast majority of men have blinders on and do not believe that they are second class citizens. They can’t see what has happened to them. They believe that that old school patriarchy still wields the power. They also believe that women are second class citizens and that women are in no way equal to men.

As you said the radical fems need to be taken out but before this can happen men must realize that there is a battle to fight. The radical fems are brilliant! Then won the war by maintaining the illusion for men that the men safe still in power and still have control. Until men wake up and realize what has happened to them, nothing will change. They will forever be relegated to being beasts of burden.
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Guys, if people assume you're trans, just tell them you're not.

Believe it or not, they'll probably respect you more.

Most people I've talked to since this trans thing hit the mainstream don't particularly care for the transgender movement. In fact, pretty much EVERYONE I've come across INSIST that transgender people don't exist and that those people are "men in dresses".

Don't buy the media hype. Nobody is going to think you're transgender.... let it go already.

The only issue arises if you actually are trans.. yeah, then expect constant arguments, harassment, and bullying because pretty much everyone wants transgender women do die a painful death. Nobody wants them around.

Just sayin...
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jamie001 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:05 pmThe vast majority of men have blinders on and do not believe that they are second class citizens. They can’t see what has happened to them.
If one does not pay attention to his surroundings one loses situational awareness. What happens at that point is entirely predictable -- and not pretty. However, even if it isn't pretty, it's well deserved. "Ya snooze, ya lose."
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crfriend wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:00 pm If one does not pay attention to his surroundings one loses situational awareness. What happens at that point is entirely predictable -- and not pretty. However, even if it isn't pretty, it's well deserved. "Ya snooze, ya lose."
True, however these snoozing men are taking down CIS skirt wearing men with them because unless they wake-up and realize what is happening, normalization of skirts for men will not happen within our lifetimes. Because of this, skirts will only be normalized in our lifetimes for LGBTQWTF+, but the average Joe has no desire to be pigeon-holed in that category especially after seeing one of those gay pride parades.
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jamie001 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:16 amTrue, however these snoozing men are taking down CIS skirt wearing men with them because unless they wake-up and realize what is happening, normalization of skirts for men will not happen within our lifetimes.
And, thus, if the skirt becomes the province of the SD Spectrum, then the rest of ourselves only have ourselves to blame. This is what my current supposition is, and is also why I find myself migrating back into male drab.
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CR,

Don’t give up and never give up skirts and go back to drab. If you do that then you are defeated. In the past I gave up and became a poster child for Prozac. Maybe you should take Moon’s advice above which seems to work for him.
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CR,
Be true to yourself. Please do not give up - you are a strong advocate for skirting. You've been a positive influence to me and starting this journey. Skirts are comfortable - that is the main reason I wear them. Only you can control how you respond to others comments. Without your passion for skirting, I believe that others would not have started skirting until they found out that others want to do the same - thus your forums.

Wearing them at work? I was working for an Internet Service Provider (ISP) and the outside techs and the persons in the office were able to wear shorts. The business was bought out and we were told that we could no longer wear shorts. One day, one of the vice presidents came into the office and began working on inventory. She was wearing a skirt that was above her knees. The thought hit me - If she can wear a skirt at work, I can wear a kilt. I double-checked the dress code and now where did it say that males could wear skirts. The first day I wore the kilt to work, there were two vice presidents and a project manager in the office. No one said a word about the kilt. I felt empowered that day.
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Belember wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:57 pm CR,
Be true to yourself. Please do not give up - you are a strong advocate for skirting. You've been a positive influence to me and starting this journey. Skirts are comfortable - that is the main reason I wear them. Only you can control how you respond to others comments. Without your passion for skirting, I believe that others would not have started skirting until they found out that others want to do the same - thus your forums.
Thanks, Belember.

Oddly, my problem with getting slandered/libelled is primarily here and not in meatspace. I know why this is, and it's down to physical presence, and I happen to have a rather large one and thus people tend not to wise off at me or insult me in public. Here, however, in cyberspace with keyboard-warriors and fanatic evangelists we have a different story -- however, here is not where I expect to receive guff for my attire -- and it's only a few individuals that repeatedly push the buttons of conflating attire and sexuality. We -- of all people -- ought to know better, and if we don't at least ought to have the common courtesy not to slander and libel folks.

Several folks have been chided on that notion, and more than a few of them have left. Unfortunately, we've also lost some of our best voices -- some of whom are on the trans-* scale -- because of the rancour. All caused by a few zealots with an axe to grind.

Nice job with the introduction of the concept at work!
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crfriend wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:40 pm
Here, however, in cyberspace with keyboard-warriors and fanatic evangelists we have a different story... Unfortunately, we've also lost some of our best voices -- some of whom are on the trans-* scale -- because of the rancour. All caused by a few zealots with an axe to grind.
CR,
I apologize if this is out of line and feel free to delete this if it's against the rules; however, I feel a bit upset and I would like to express my opinion. Let me explain myself and turn this around - with skirting in mind. While I can understand where the "evangelists" points of view come from, they are missing/forgetting something very important - the greatest commandment (if you are interested, please look it up.) While I constantly struggle with it, it also means not to judge others or yourself and to Be Kind.

If I were to guess, I would say that over a billion different men on Earth in many different religions wear a tube of some type and have throughout history. You are not alone by skirting! Skirt with dignity and strength.

I have two rainbow kilts, and I am proud to wear them for the promise of a rainbow in the sky and partially about the trans-* scale. When I wear the rainbow kilt, I usually get a few nice comments!
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Bringing my piece to the initial question. I am based in Belgium and have been hired by a Belgian company, and in 2018 the company has been taken over by an American company. So I'm not working in America but working for an American company, if this can count.
I discovered about skirt wearing in 2019, and started to wear them at work in 2023 (complicated off-topic story). I've not worn them often at the office but including the three kilted days of this week, more than ten times. So far, I don't have noticed any push back, employees are very relaxed about it. Reactions for sure, avoided by any colleague I don't think so, and the "company itself" I believe they don't mind so long that I'm getting my work done. Eventually if they could mind, it would be for their image of an "inclusive company"
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Spirou003 wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:46 amI believe they don't mind so long that I'm getting my work done. Eventually if they could mind, it would be for their image of an "inclusive company"
Bear in mind that since you're working in Belgium, you and your company are subject to Belgian and EU employment law which grants wide latitude to the employee and provides important protections for the employee that are not present under what passes for US labour law (which effectively does not exist here, and what there is is never enforced). Thus the situation for you is entirely different for US citizens, and since we're talking about "Americans" here, it's worth noting that everybody in North America (Canada, the US, and Mexico) technically count as "Americans" (as being from the Americas) but not as US citizens. Canadian labour law it I believe similar to European labour law, and I don't think such a concept even exists in Mexico (though I may be mistaken).
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Belember wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:02 pmI apologize if this is out of line and feel free to delete this if it's against the rules; however, I feel a bit upset and I would like to express my opinion. Let me explain myself and turn this around - with skirting in mind. While I can understand where the "evangelists" points of view come from, they are missing/forgetting something very important - the greatest commandment (if you are interested, please look it up.) While I constantly struggle with it, it also means not to judge others or yourself and to Be Kind.
Not off-topic in the slightest, as if one never asks one risks never knowing! There's no such thing as a "stupid question" -- only stupid mistakes made because the right questions were not asked.

The "greatest commandment", of course, is the most common one in most religions, most commonly known as "The Golden Rule", [0] which states, "Treat others the way you would be treated yourself." Interestingly, that is also a common theme in ethics in addition to religion, so there is much commonality involved. Now, I'm not religious in any way -- but I do live a very ethical life, and am ethical to others in my surrounding, even though I know it puts me at a distinct disadvantage in a remarkably non-ethical world.

I tend to not judge others, and what gets my goat is when I am judged by others, that judgment is flat wrong, hurtful, and damaging to my reputation [1]. That's when the gloves come off. This is the realm of the zealot and the keyboard warrior, which are fortunately a minority of the population. The keyboard-warrior gets away with the behaviour because there's usually no way to penalise him for his behaviour; the zealot is on a mission to get his story heard far and wide, and thus does not care whether it infuriates or injures others -- and there's usually no recourse to these because of the notion of "free speech"
If I were to guess, I would say that over a billion different men on Earth in many different religions wear a tube of some type and have throughout history. You are not alone by skirting! Skirt with dignity and strength.
More than don't, I'd hazard. The problem seems peculiarly tied to Western European thinking.
I have two rainbow kilts, and I am proud to wear them for the promise of a rainbow in the sky and partially about the trans-* scale. When I wear the rainbow kilt, I usually get a few nice comments!
Wear them happily! Who am I to judge or question. I wouldn't, but that's me and my leanings. Nothing more and nothing else. I tend to dislike flying others' flags.

[0] No, NOT "He who has the gold makes the rules."!
[1] Reputation: n. That what people are not thinking of another.
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crfriend wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:27 am And, thus, if the skirt becomes the province of the SD Spectrum, then the rest of ourselves only have ourselves to blame. This is what my current supposition is, and is also why I find myself migrating back into male drab.
Don't give up! If skirts have always become the province of the SD Spectrum, well, then they always have. Can't imagine you wearing a skirt in 1970 wouldn't get you labled a "f*ggot." There may not have been any progress in cis-Men in skirts since then, but neither has their been any regress.
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crfriend wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:22 pmBear in mind that since you're working in Belgium, you and your company are subject to Belgian and EU employment law which grants wide latitude to the employee and provides important protections for the employee that are not present under what passes for US labour law (which effectively does not exist here, and what there is is never enforced).
Indeed, I did forget that important point when posting. Thanks for highlighting it!
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