Men in Skirts "Common in Five Years"???

[STEVIE]

Brad,
In Scotland, it's called "breach of the peace", no matter how quiet you are.
Steve.

[skirtyscot]

Now I'm not a lawyer, so I see this in nice simple terms. You have a lease, I.e. a contract with your landlord. Unless you are in breach of the contract, the other party cannot just terminate it at will. Unless of course you have a rubbish contract which has no notice period and gives you no rights to speak of.

Surely the landlord can't evict you just because he takes a dislike to you?

[skirtyscot]

After writing the above, I had a look at the (barely active) Spanish forum "InterMIS", and read that there had been a tv program last sunday, a kind vales", in which a group of brass players won the round; one girl and 8 lads in red t-shirts and black mini-skirts....

Here's a link if you want to hear them play and see them in different skirts :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FwI5BJXSHs

Martin

The presenter did get a laugh by referring to the skirts, though. What did he say? My Spanish isn't good enough.

[Big and Bashful]

As someone who can't "speak foreign" I wish I could find a clip with a translation, still, they do seem to enjoy doing what they do, in a wide variety of different garments.

Good for them!

[couyalair]

The presenter did get a laugh by referring to the skirts, though. What did he say?

The only mention I picked up was toward the end when he sat down with other guests and said they should raise their skirts higher. That was all; no mockery. The group has been playing lke this long enough to be known for their unusual outfits, so the skirts are just part of the scenery.

Personally, I'd not heard of this group, so was quite amazed to see them wearing skirts here in macho Spain.

Martin

[Sinned]

I liked that the skirts were tiered or "ra-ra" type skirts which are more associated with the other sex. They were short, yes, and glimpses of underwear. Only one of them wore tights and it wasn't one of the girls! Not sure that the tap-dancing was real though as they seemed to be trainers and the tapping didn't seem to be in sync with the foot movements. But a minor issue and I could be wrong though as I am not a dancer. Yes, I approve of their attire and it all seemed quite natural for them in that I enjoyed the music and I didn't think "Hey, they're wearing skirts!"

As for men in skirts being common in five years - I wish!

[skirtingtheissue]

I do object to the emotive word "feminisation". I think a word like "harmonisation" would have been better. As discussed on other threads the association with feminine being somehow less desirable is not the attitude. The tone of the article was confusing, starting out with good arguments for and then stating an unease. Don't knock it until you've tried it springs to mind.

I agree. The author did not write a very good piece. It seems she heard about a "trend" concerning men in skirts on fashion runways over the last few years, and wrote about her thoughts. But it wasn't well thought out. The illustration certainly doesn't show "ultimate feminisation", which is of course not what the designers were after. It's fairly masculine.

"No longer will the skirt be purely for the female sex and no longer is a man in a skirt associated with the Scots; normal, heterosexual men will, apparently, be rocking the trend very soon…" What? This self-contradicting sentence implies that she considers Scotsmen abnormal. She should have considered kilts more than that.

As for the five-years prediction, that will depend on US. We just have to keep skirting in sensible ways (not "skirts layered over trousers"), keep being visible, keep educating, keep being good skirt ambassadors, and keep the movement growing.

[BobM]

Well gentlemen, I have a long perspective on this. I was largely raised by my Victorian grandmother to whom skirts and dresses on boys was commonplace, ordinary, and perfectly unremarkable. Small boys used to wear whatever their elders put on them without comment. I certainly did. My first pair of pants appeared at 6 when I started public school. I hated them, but my opinion was not solicited. Apart from school I still wore skirts for a couple more years. When the time came to leave them behind there was no possibility of argument. But I 'knew' that one day I could have them back. That day was only a mere decade later when I started living independently. But by then social norms had changed and the only acceptable skirt was a kilt, and that only for cultural occasions. The rise of social media--such as this site--has made it obvious that there are a great many men who see the benefits of skirts over trousers. Mainstream? Not yet, but it will be increasingly accepted as more and more men tire of being forced into an artificial rigid mold.

[Jock]

If a woman presents a male appearance she could also be discriminated against.

How would any know? I see dozens of such women every day!

There are always vague charges used by law-enforcement also like "disorderly conduct" and "obstructing government administration" which are catch-all terms for harassing people.

Yep - the police here have similar "weapons" for example: it is not illegal to be naked, but if you are naked in public then the police usually use the "disturbing the peace" catch all. This happened to a guy that was cycling naked to his local nudist beach and some woman complained. Ironically, a few weeks later the naked bike ride took place at a neighbouring city, with the police there to keep the peace!!

I loved the Spanish band - muy bueno!

Just a small final observation: Sarongs do get worn by young guys on holiday; a kind of away from home liberation. I think that men would like to wear skirts as an option but its the "no, you first" thing.

[Grok]

Common? No. What I believe we will see is experimentation by a few.

[brucewmbazo]

I don't see us ever being in the majority. But I am pleasantly surprised with the response I receive. Only a few very stupid men have made negative comments. Quite often when I am wearing one of my kilts I will walk up to a lady wearing a skirt or dress and tell her that I don't like pants either. Most of them are quite amused. Ladies generally like men in kilts, so expect some pleasant surprises. I like standing out, so I almost hope we remain a minority.

[skirtilator]

In reply to skirty scot- Gender expression is not a protected class in New York in the same way as race, ethnicity, sexual preference, national origin, gender or disability. If a landlord or employer is morally opposed to men wearing skirts, then the male skirtwearer can be discriminated against in the absence of a law protecting gender expression. If a woman presents a male appearance she could also be discriminated against.

Instead of using state power, which cannot convince people but enforce the will of a certain group, you can try to choose people, who you want to associate with, wisely. Discrimination, unlike the pejorative one, discrimination = to disadvantage, is inevitable in life. Moral is universal. What someone thinks is right or wrong has nothing to do with moral.