Guy's Youtube skirt video

[skirt24]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSkirts4men#p/u

Check out this guy's videos on men wearing skirts. He has five or six up. Very interesting and hope it is helpful our fashion freedom especially here in the close minded society of the US.

[Taj]

Sorry, but I can't stomach the rebellious brat approach. I canceled it as soon as he said that if parents didn't agree they were douche bags. Grow up dood. If parents don't agree get a job, move out, and paddle your own canoe.

[crfriend]

On a personal level, I absolutely agree with Taj's sentiments and didn't even listen to the thing all the way through. I found the "Inner City" delivery style obnoxious, grating, and thoroughly off-putting.

However, as a moderator, I could not simply step on it because I didn't like the delivery; that is simply that individual's communicating style, and it is not up to me to block or otherwise censor his commentary in his venue. It's worth noting that just because a link gets posted to something outside SkirtCafe does not imply that the editorial staff necessarily agree with it; the usual boilerplate disclaimer is appropriate in this situation: "SkirtCafe are not responsible for content on external sites."

Had somebody here used the same language towards another member, however, there would have been a censure as that would clearly violate the Mutual Respect dictum and does fall under our control.

[aavisual]

I liked the youtube when I listened to it. The parents would be wrong if they didn't consider the expressed desire of the child without ridicule. Perhaps he could've used a better term than "douchebag" (that could be a regional/social influence in ones choice of words.) But if you are going to insist that the child get a job without making the completion of school a priority, move out while a minor (and in today's economy), and paddle a canoe without any parental support.... Taj, you may want to re-consider your approach and institute the qualities of compassion and understanding, especially towards ones own children. Wearing an unbifurcated garment alone is somewhat rebellious yes, but it takes some real independent gusto (paddling your own canoe in a different sense.) I don't see where "brat" is coming from, and it's spelled "dude" not "dood"... peace to all and best wishes.

[Taj]

I'm not thinking that skirt24 was trying to offend anyone on this forum. I did find the utube thing offensive, as was probably acceptable to the maker of the video if one didn't agree with him. I quickly opted for my right to shut him off.

Respect is a huge part of what we want from the general public regarding our fashion choices. Respect should be our default mode toward those who differ. I will respectfully insist on my rights and expect those rights to be respected as well.

[Taj]

Aavisual,
As I stated, I didn't listen to the utube beyond when the individual copped a disrespectful attitude. If he's a minor still in school then he has something to work for in gaining functional independence. The old rituals of gaining privilege through age and demonstrated maturity still are valid and useful tools in child development. If he wants to wear something his parents disagree with he would be showing maturity to respectfully discuss it yet follow the rules until he is on his own. Being a teen is tough and following rules respectfully is a skill we all need in adult life.

[owen]

Fashion revolutions tend to originate with rebellious brats. Rockers, mods, hippies, punks, goths, rappers ... they all did it to stick a finger to their parents. Then their fashions gradually become mainstream. I don't like the attitude in the video either, but it's probably the most likely way that the next fashion revolution, the one we are all looking forward to, will come about.

[crfriend]

Fashion revolutions tend to originate with rebellious brats. Rockers, mods, hippies, punks, goths, rappers ... they all did it to stick a finger to their parents.

I suppose this is also how the current "fashion" of wearing one's trouser waistband around their arse came into being as well. Just lovely.

My own perspective on getting skirted garments accepted on guys discounts "rebellion", juvenile or otherwise; I would vastly prefer to see it driven from the adult perspective, and be driven by those who are mature and comfortable in who they are and confident in their deeds. The former of those two, to me, just smacks of naiveite (the "Rebel Without a Clue" syndrome); the latter as open defiance of convention by those who are actually in a position to make people take notice by virtue of their place in society. Which notion carries more "weight" -- a teenager putting on his sister's skirt to rile the school administrators or a respected "man of means" (scientist, architect, doctor, &c.)? I'll posit the latter. (This makes the assumption that non-celebrity thinkers and doers actually count in this day and age.)

I don't like the attitude in the video either, but it's probably the most likely way that the next fashion revolution, the one we are all looking forward to, will come about.

I found the attitude in the video extraordinarily juvenile -- to the point where if youngsters actually listened to it problems might well ensue. It will be the very exceptional youngster indeed that will be able to reason with his parents that "skirts are just pieces of cloth" and that there are cultural and historical precedents for men wearing such garments, and it would take a mammoth amount of thought on the part of the parent(s) to shove aside what's been "the norm" for all of their lives. A (very) few could do it, a few more might be able to, but to see anything resembling a meaningful portion of parents assenting to such behaviour I suspect is fantasy -- which, of course, brings us back to the notion that it'll have to be driven by the adults of the world.

[aavisual]

Hey y'all, give this guy on YouTube a fair chance.... all of this conclusion is from only one snippit from only one of the videos, and most of these negative comments are being made without even admittingly finishing that video. It is sad that you are depriving yourself of the essence of what this youTuber has and is accomplishing which in reality is a push and success for all of us! I watched all of his videos in their entirety, and really, all of this negative focus is based on a very small incident within one of his videos. Yes, it is very probable that he is from an area of society less polished than most of ours, and yes he admits to only being 20 years old, yet he still deserves kudos for his part in the strive for fashion equality. I would like to see that all of his content is considered prior to placing judgement just because his language is different. We have all been exposed to much worse offensive language and behavior. This guy is our brother towards the cause, we should be more tolerable and voice some appreciation for his efforts.

[SkirtRevolution]

I am sadly surprised how quick sometimes we eat our own young. Just because someone is not as articulate in expressing his right to wear skirts doesn’t mean we shoot him down. What I find more of an offense is when we don't support other skirt wearers. Are we not forgetting that this is a brother who as put his reputation and his face out there to fight against trouser tyranny. That in its self is reason to celebrate. Moreover, this guy is the new younger generation who in my opinion will be the ones that will see skirts as a part of men’s clothing because they will make it happen. Shouldn’t we make the effort to offer constructive criticism and to respond to his you tube with positive messages. If you think you can say it better, then write a reply and show your support for men in skirt, but don’t shoot him down. The old say is so true and one for us to take heed of “A house divided CANNOT stand!” I have actually spoken with this guy as he is one of the people on my face book account “Men’s Skirts”. He may have a style that is different to others here but we forget that he speaks in the way that youth do today and the younger people respond to that. I recommend that we show our support and give him positive feedback and some pointers about what to speak on. Until now most of the you tube videos about men in skirts is just an insult to us, often about a bunch of kids thinking it funny when a guy wears a dress. Who here is ready to start putting some educational videos on you tube to start “re-educating” society.

[Taj]

The idealism and energy of youth is a good and necessary thing. I have met many of these young people on the job in a professional environment. The successful ones are the ones who have figured out that manners, proper language, and self-control are contributing to their success. That and an advanced education. We are a long way from mens skirts being acceptable attire in the board room. Neither is poor language, disrespect, or bad manners. I'm old enough to hope for far greater acceptance of skirts on men in informal environments, but doubt I will live long enough to see anything but tartan regalia worn formally.

[john62]

I listened to the whole thing. Most of what he said was OK, I suspect that he was speaking his English which is a very different type of English to most of the people here on this forum. Was it disrepectful? perhaps in his culture not as bad as most of us think it is.

John

[Kirbstone]

As a nearly 70 year-old brought up this East side of 'The Pond' I find that guy's repetative delivery very difficult to listen to.
An entirely personal comment.

Tom K.

[skirtyscot]

I agree with all the guys who say we should concentrate on his message and applaud him for putting it up on Youtube. His delivery is not the most fluent, and he repeats himself a lot, but he's on the same side as us, and he's just putting it in his own words.

Odd that you don't get to see his skirt, just his face!

[marlon8057]

hey everyone that guy that you see in those videos thats me. I'm sorry if i came off as a brat, thats not how i wanted to come off as, but standing in front of a camera and talking is a whole lot harder than it looks. now, im not the most articulate guy on the block and i know its hard to follow what i'm saying, but at least i'm trying. now i probrably should have used a better word than douchbags, plus i repeat myself a lot, lol. but hey im 20 years old, im young and i have a lot to learn. im surprised by the negative comments because i thought everyone will be happy that there is actually a skirts for men youtube CHANNEL, everyone should be supportive and help me because like i said its harder than it looks. i remember my first time making and putting up a video, thinking to myself that i will be the first person to make a skirts for men youtube channel, and putting up the first video was hard and took a lot of courage because my reputation is on the line, my friends, family all can see this and most of them already saw it and have giving me a hard time about it, but i stood my ground. so instead of putting me down calling me juvenile and rebellious brat, which i am not, i have finished school three years ago and im working towards a career, help me out or better yet make your own skirts for men youtube channel, don't let me be the only one who has the balls to put his face out there, you guys are older and speak better than make some videos dammit, lol.

thank you skirt revolution and the other guys for being supportive

and oh yeah i almost forgot the reason you guys dont see me wearing skirts in my videos is because i simply dont have any