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ISS is in trouble!

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The future of the International Space Station is now in grave doubt. An article in my local paper said that it may be abondon by Nov. this year. The Russian resupply vehicles are having troubles at launch. And may not be able to send men back to relieve the current crews set to come home in Oct. and Nov. At which point the ISS will have to be powered down and abandoned.
Here's a link to the "offcial" point of view!
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stati ... aunch.html

The soyuz is not as reliable as our old shutle craft. Go figure!
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DALederle wrote:The future of the International Space Station is now in grave doubt.
It really isn't as bad as all that, and anybody who says otherwise is fear-mongering.

Yes, the Russians experienced a failure of a Progress mission which flys atop the Soyuz rocket. These are highly complex systems, and things are bound to go wrong occasionally, but this:
There has never been a Progress loss during the International Space Station Program. As of August 2011, the Russian Space Agency had launched 745 Soyuz-U launch vehicles. There have been 21 launch failures and 724 successes.
from the linked NASA article gives an idea of the real statistics. This is a remarkable record. The Russians are delaying the next manned mission to ISS until they understand what went wrong with the Progress flight as the manned flights use the same booster system. The reliability of the Soyuz system is just mind-boggling; nothing else is even close.

The reason that the current occupants of ISS will have to come home soon is that the two Soyuz capsules that are currently docked at ISS have finite lifespans on orbit (a "best used by" date) and need to come back to Earth after about 200 days in space (compare to a ten to fifteen day mission timescale for the now-retired Shuttles). If not for this timing issue, there are enough supplies on ISS to support the crew for a number of months.

Regarding "abandoning" ISS, yes, there might not be any human inhabitants on it for a bit (just until the launch problem is understood and fixed), but the computers will be perfectly capable of dealing with the routine stuff like stability and positioning, and if anything really "interesting" happens the station can be flown from the ground. This is not the analogue to the Skylab missions where the station was "mothballed in space" by the departing third crew; unlike ISS, that station was not designed to be resupplied and the abandonment made sense at the time. It's worth noting that once the oribital decay of Skylab was fully recognised and understood, ground controllers "woke up" all the needed computers and gadgetry required to reorient the station into a low-drag configuration to delay (with Shuttle being hopelessly late) the inevitable deorbiting.

So, it's nowhere near as bad as it's being portrayed; however, that won't stop rags the world over from screaming headlines of "The sky is falling!!!". That sells copy; rigourous factual examinations don't.
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NASA has given the SpaceX Falcon Nov. 30, 2011 launch date for its first resupply mission to the ISS.
SpaceX will use Space Launch Complex 40, Cape Canaveral, Florid for this launch..

This may solve the resupply problem but not the 200 day in orbit limit on the Soyuz capsules used as emergency lifeboats.

http://www.spacex.com/updates.php
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SpaceX also have a manned capsule that is tantalyzingly close to fruition, but may still be some time away. The biggest problem with the November date is that unless the Russians get their heads around the Soyuz launch-vehicle problem there may be no humans left on ISS to receive the first commercial resupply flight.

Offhand, if the rated flight time for a piece of hardware is 200 days, and it needs to operate on its own and support a crew, I'd be very tempted to stick to the 200 day schedule. I believe that during the Mir missions there may well have been Soyuz capsules that were well beyond the "best used by date" that performed OK, but doing so increases the level of risk measurably. Unfortunately I do not recall the cosmonaut's name, but there was one chap on Mir who launched from the USSR and parachuted back to the Russian Federation. There were assorted wags at the time postulating whether he'd have to go through customs or not.

Ultimately, it'll come down to a risk assessment of how the Russians believe that the docked Soyuz vehicles will function. If they believe that there is little risk in extending the stay on orbit, then they may well do so; however, if they feel that the risk is too great then they'll bring the carbon-based bits home and let the silicon-based ones take charge for a bit.

The question, then, becomes, "Will the computers let the humans back on board again?"

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