John Bedini Motor-Energizer.

[Jack Williams]

Here is the John Bedini Motor-Energizer. Basically, by tuning and oscillating the ions in the electrolyte of the charging battery, it becomes charged without flattening the motor battery. Googling John Bedini will provide a wealth of further information.

[Jack Williams]

Here is the John Bedini Motor-Energizer. Basically, by tuning and oscillating the ions in the electrolyte of the charging battery, it becomes charged without flattening the motor battery. Googling John Bedini will provide a wealth of further information.

That was the theory a bit of Googling came up with. The proof of the pudding will be my beefed up version using bigger coils and 2N3055 transistors. I did notice that after only a few minutes running that the battery under charge was showing half a volt more than before connecting, so a charge was definitely happening. The crux is the amount of depletion of the primary battery. I'll only know that when I have a machine going here to experiment with.

[crfriend]

I rather expect that the TANSTAAFL ("There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch") dictum will hold true in this case and one will wind up with two batteries at slightly less than half-charge. There is loss in any system (operating at "normal" temperatures so we can leave superconductors out) be that loss due to electrical resistance or frictional loss in systems requiring motion -- and it looks like this device has both.

Why do I have the image of M. C. Escher's "Waterfall" in my head now?

But, time and experimentation will tell. Besides, bigger coils and drivers can do other fancy things if one ups the voltage enough!

[TomH]

Wow. Your not just a dressed up guy, Jack.

Thanks, Tom

[Jack Williams]

On doing a bit more research, the analogy came up of the windmill. Before it's invention, here was the wind. No one had thought that it might be used for anything, it was just there.
The thinking is just that: here is a "windmill" which can harness something already there that we have not been previously aware of, or more likely, vested interests want to keep suppressed. The philosophy behind this kitset machine is to have a demonstration setup that anyone can sort, and thus get a plethora of tinkerers getting these type of things going out there, making this technology impossible to suppress by people like me who have shares in a power generating company!
Google John Bedini and be amazed!
The energy found here is in" tuning and oscillating the ions in the electrolyte of the battery," releasing energy therein...
I am building one, and will keep you informed. Please feel free to do the same. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding!

[ethelthefrog]

I'm with Carl on this one.

The system cannot create energy. The charge in a battery is stored energy. Energy input comes from battery 1 and is transferred to battery 2 by the system. There is no way that battery 2 can charge without a corresponding loss of energy from battery 1, indeed, as Carl points out, battery 1 must cover the losses in the system too.

Sadly, all perpetual motion machines (which this would be) are fiction.

Nicely built prototype, though. Very elegant.


Paul.

[Jack Williams]

The energy does not come from battery A, that is basically just running the machine. The energy is from elsewhere, and is tapped by the ultra-fast switching of the transistors. Have a Google of the info. There's lots of math there beyond my achieved level!
There is an animated schematic there chowing the switching pattern. Swot it up a bit. Fascinating!
There is also a bar graph showing charged batteries against level of supply one. They charged fully three batteries four times before primary one was too flat. Also newspaper article of young schoolgirl and the one she built amazing everybody.
It is not a "perpetual motion" machine any more than a windmill is.

[Jack Williams]

Just been doing a bit more swotting up on this subject, and here is the URL of a very interesting page about all this:
http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Schematics.html

[ethelthefrog]

Looking at the picture on the monitor at the top of your post (the one with red and green arrows on), and analysing the schematic on that page, it looks very much like it works like this:

There are two "master" coils, each of which drive three transistor bases. As the magnets rotate near the coil, this will generate a voltage in the coils and cause a pulse. This pulse turns on the transistors briefly, causing a large current flow through the three coils connected to the collectors of the conducting transistors. This pulse produces a magnetic field in the coils, which makes the motor turn.

At the end of the pulse, the transistors will turn off, causing a large potential to be developed across the coils (inductors do not like having current flow changed and will generate large voltages to counteract this: V = L . dI/dt). This large voltage is tapped off by the diodes and fed to the charging battery.

Both sides of the circuit operate in the same manner, both causing large-voltage spikes to be fed to the battery on the right.

There is no need for any mystical, as yet unexplained, energy source to describe what is happening: it is a simple transfer of energy from one battery to the other, in spikes timed by the turning of the motor.


The definitive way to measure whether or not energy is being magicked from nowhere is to monitor the current flows and voltages in both batteries. The integral over time of the product of voltage and current at each battery will reveal how much energy has moved from/to each battery. If the measured energy into battery 2 exceeds the measured energy drained from battery 1, we have energy magicking. If, as I strongly suspect, more energy flows away from battery 1 as into battery 2, we have a system that obeys the currently understood laws of physics.

The measurement will be quite hard to do using homebrew equipment because the current pulses that are charging battery 2 will be very brief and very peaky. Curiously enough, I am currently working on a project for my employer that is capable of taking 50 million current measurements per second to allow us to measure current spikes in semiconductor chips...

[Jack Williams]

I tried measuring the current going or coming into or out of battery B but a series meter disrupted the machine, in that the neons on the right-hand circuit lit up. So the only way to know if it is charging is to check the voltage across that battery before connecting and then connected with machine running. My battery before connecting read 10V and on the machine 10.5V. That is as far as I have gone, but upon completing one of these machines I can then run it until the supply battery runs down, or the other one charges up. Then the truth will be revealed!

Two interesting things I noticed when Derek first brought it was: as I tried to put a meter in the charging battery by taking off the clip to the negative pole (which was just the nearest to me at the time) and putting the positive meter clip to the machine (with it running) and grasping the other meter clip, I noticed a DC current of some third of an amp flowing into my body while I was on composition soled slippers and not therefore part of any circuit. The current tailed off as if I was being charged up like a capacitor! Holding the clip lightly, I could feel a slight high frequency tingle to the fingers.
The other thing was that the charging battery, after removal from the machine read but 3 or 4 volts, but as Derek mentioned, it then proceeded to recover back to full voltage on it's own...

[Jack Williams]

This continues to intrigue me. Derek brought the machine around the other day with modifications. He had just one master coil and had rewound others bifilar, so power could be drawn from them. With a bridge of diodes across one of the extra windings an LED flashlight of seven LEDs was dazzlingly bright while a meter clipped across the LEDs read but 1.5 volts. The LEDs ostensibly need 4v.When I held the meter clips in my fingers, the voltage reading increased to over 2v. To anyone with any understanding of electrical behaviour, this is indeed intriguing!

[ethelthefrog]

The pulses you get out of the coils will be short in duration and large in voltage. Any voltage measurements taken with something other than an oscilloscope will give you some degree of averaging. Large pulses with big gaps between will give a small average voltage. LEDs, however, have very fast turn-on times, so will react quickly to the rising voltage of the pulses and shine brightly for a moment as the current passes through them, going dark again as the voltage drops below 4V.

Incidentally, when conducting, the LEDs will tend to hold the maximum voltage of the pulse down to 4-ish volts. If you clip the peak voltage using the LEDs, the average voltage will be lower than if you don't have those components in circuit.

EDIT: I should point out that a fast train of bright flashes from the LED will be averaged by your eyes and make it look like the LEDs are emitting a steady light output.