the first male skirt to meet success?

[Grok]

Kilts have already had some success.

[Since1982]

I'm with B&B on that one..dark blue denim, or other cotton blends, A line, about a couple of inches below the knee and with cargo pockets.

[crfriend]

There was a post in here by "Grok" a few minutes ago -- and which has since disappeared -- in which he posited that kilts would gain acceptance first (and have; I have not so much as once seen a guy in a kilt get grief), followed by "split skirts" and "skorts". I have to admit I find both split skirts (essentially very full longish shorts) and "skorts" a bit of a dodge; if one wants to do away with the inseam, do away with the inseam and be done with.

That having been said, "split skirts" are gaining traction here in the northeast of the US with teenage males, usually in very shiny and flowing long full shorts that when not in motion very definitely resemble skirts. The fabric is interesting, too, simply because it's not denim but rather what looks almost like a satin fabric with a noticeable sheen to it.

"Skorts", on the other hand, are seen only rather rarely, and by "skort" I use the term to describe a garment that from the front looks like a skirt but when viewed from behind is clearly a pair of shorts. I have heard of other types that have a "skirt layer" around a pair of shorts, but that seems to be even more of a dodge than the hybrid look.

In short (pun intended), if one doesn't want the inseam, don't wear a garment with one. It's really that simple. I have yet to get in any sort of trouble for wearing out-and-out skirts in public.

[skirted_in_SF]

My one and only skort (skirted all the way round) is so short that I'm happy there is a pair of shorts under to keep covered what should be covered. I've only worn it out a couple of times walking to and from the beach about two miles from where I live.

[Stu]

It's really really dangerous for a man to go out wearing a smart, masculine skirt. While most people won't give a hoot, and many will applaud your originality, a few individuals might just think your garb is a bit ...odd - YIKES!



Stu

[Grok]

Yes, I deleted my earlier reply; I keep reconsidering my response to the thread's title.

[crfriend]

At the risk of offending some people, it is fair to describe a kilt as a type of skirt. And kilting has been an exception to "trousers tyranny" that has become visible in substantial numbers.

Whilst the above assertion is technically 100% accurate it is stylistically and culturally incorrect and merely frays nerves needlessly. This writer sees no percentage is needlessly rankling one group of folks who, it needs to be said, have done a very good job in bucking the western uniform of trousers and trousers only; kilt-wearers deserve our respect, not school-yard taunts.

[Since1982]

Well said, Carl. There's another group that's been wearing skirted garments that were not called "skirts" for over 30,000 years and is STILL wearing them. The LARGEST interconnected continent on the planet. Commonly known as "Polynesia or Oceania". It spreads from Rapa Nui in the West to The Marshall Islands in the East to the Hawaiian Islands in the North to the Galagapos Islands in the South. The male skirted garments there have different names depending on which Island like Tupenu, Lava Lava, Sarong, Kain, Sulu, Longyi, Pareo, Lungi, and Lap lap.

There are actually over 75% of men in the known world wearing skirted garments and only 25% in all the rest of the planet.

[Stu]

Gok

I agree with the Master Barista that skorts and such would be a dodge in this context. Nevertheless, they seem to have become established. I consider these garments as baby steps towards real MUGs.

Make no mistake - if skorts ever get accepted as a male garment, skirts WILL follow soon after - there is no question in my mind because the "males must wear pants/shorts" dogma will have been broken for good. Also, I don't dislike skorts - I think they can look smart and, if styled properly, they can offer femininity and also practicality for females who would otherwise wear a short skirt.

Realistically, I'm not sure chaps are going to be wearing skorts any time soon. Or ever. The skort is really shorts that are designed to look like a skirt - and that's the big problem because I can't see how or why skorts would ever appeal to males. Where is the advantage in a skort for a man? I would class skorts in the same category as skirts over trousers - it's hard to see the point and men don't tend to wear things unless there is a point.

Stu

[couyalair]

Stu :
"The skort is really shorts that are designed to look like a skirt - and that's the big problem "

Yes, indeed. What man wants to wear something that looks like a skirt? !!!
The more likely solution would be to find a skirt that is designed to look like shorts.

I have made myself a garment or two like this from trousers, cut short, opened up at the crotch, and using the cloth from the lower legs as an extra layer inside across the thighs down to knee level, each part floating free.

Martin

[Grok]

A couple days ago I made an appearance at a science fiction convention.

One of the items being sold in the dealers' room was an updated hakama. A bifurcated version, with the addition of cargo pockets (similar to a utilikilt).

I understand that in Japan one version of the traditional garment is unbifurcated.

[Grok]

Stu :


Yes, indeed. What man wants to wear something that looks like a skirt? !!!
The more likely solution would be to find a skirt that is designed to look like shorts.


Martin

J Dez has marketed skirts designed as "mock shorts."

[Milfmog]

Stu :

Yes, indeed. What man wants to wear something that looks like a skirt? !!!
The more likely solution would be to find a skirt that is designed to look like shorts.

J Dez has marketed skirts designed as "mock shorts."

Indeed they have. I own one of their "Cargo Mock Kilt/Short" and have to say it is very comfortable, but it does not hang like a short and being very lightweight material it is inclined to lift in even a light breeze. Add in the relative translucence of the materiel and I'm sure you'll understand why, despite the comfort, I very rarely wear that one outside the home

Have fun,


Ian.

[Grok]

I would regard the J Dez garment as a type of divided skirt.

And potentially subversive?

[JohnH]

Hate to say it, but skirts seem to be coming more rare for women to wear. In the latest WomanWithin catalog there are no casual short skirts - only [gasp - ugh!] SKORTS!

In all fairness there were a lot of dresses in that catalog.

What is this world coming to? It was bad enough for men to have their styles dumbed down, and now women have to engage in this trend!

John