It's sinful for men to wear kilts

[Charlie]

The Atruim has this thread: http://www.grevstad.org/cgi-bin/atrium.pl?read=50608 and refers to this article: http://www.dividedbytruth.org/BD/kilts.htm

The article is, to my mind, incredibly narrow-minded

Men are to be men! Men should talk like men, dress like men, walk like men, and act like men. Kilts on men are sissyish.

and

A quick look at any bathroom door will quickly reveal that men wear pants, and women wear dresses.

On my bathroom door its says "Pump out" which is a reference to boat sanitation <-- I just like the smiley

I found the home page of the site at http://www.dividedbytruth.org/ hoping to find a guest book or forum. Just more rantings. Have a look at http://www.dividedbytruth.org/women_pants.htm

Charlie

[RichardA]

the woman maketh the Kilt
but the Kilt maketh the man

[WSmac]

While I have not visited your links yet, I'm sure it's the same old diatribe we've heard many times over.

If this is argued on religious grounds, all one has to do is look at the historical record regarding men's garments, and also read the bible (if it's a Christian-related argument) for references to men and their skirts... indeed.. even GOD and 'his' skirt.

We've been having an argument over at WrongPlanet.net about men and skirts.
WP is a site concerning people with Autism, Asperger's Syndrome, ADD/HD, and other such issues.
It's a really nice place... lots of intellectual discussion, but just as with every other forum on the internet... ignorance shows it's ugly head from time-to-time.

[Since1982]

Robert J. Stewart, the author of all that blab, is obviously not happy with his Scottish heritage as Stewart is a Highland surname, not a lowland one. I wonder how he argues the nastiness of the last two thousand years of Stewarts in kilts? Personally, I think he has a plumbing problem complex. Someone ought to stick a Sgian Dubh in Robbie's XXXXXX...The sad thing about that article tho is the author is obviously feeling he is the creator of some great movement that will take off in his future.

[WSmac]

Okay, so I went and checked out this guy's stuff.

Same old stuff.. nothing new.
Nothing to argue against because nothing is going to change his mind.

[crfriend]

The Atruim has this thread: http://www.grevstad.org/cgi-bin/atrium.pl?read=50608 and refers to this article: http://www.dividedbytruth.org/BD/kilts.htm

The article is, to my mind, incredibly narrow-minded

Quite typical, though, given the author's personal bent. This one falls into the "no credence" realm.

[JRMILLER]

Guys,
Oh, I dunno, that author made some pretty good points. Clearly he has done a lot of research and has given this a great deal of thinking. I recommend him for the "Deep Thought" award.

I am gonna box up my skirts and kilts and haul them down to the Goodwill right now! I recommend you all do the same! It's time we cleanup up our act and started flying right! I mean, we are MEN afterall, real MEN and we need to start acting like it!


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[owen]

I suppose they're right, we should all dress like Jesus did. Allowing of course for improvements in fabrics and tailoring in the intervening 2000 years. And that can only mean skirts and dresses! By their logic, it's trousers that are sinful.

[PatJ]

Is it sinful for men to wear skirts? Is it sinful for women to wear pants?

Why does this concern anyone at all. Those that need to approach these questions from a religious standpoint must remember that the first clothes were fig leaves sewn together. Do we see that fashion out and about?

Clothes are clothes. They serve the function of covering the "less presentable" parts of the body. They protect the body from the elements. As long as they function as they are supposed to function, why is this a concern of anyone?

Sin is what is in the minds and hearts of people. Surely, the way one dresses can lead to sin through imodisty, but I don't believe that that is the intention of anyone here.

The discussion in the Atrium was amusing since many of the posters claim to have no afiliation with organized religion. Yet, the question keeps coming up, "Is wearing a skirt sinful?"

The quotations from the Bible Dueteronomy are taken out of context and really don't apply to their discussion. Yet, they seem not willing to listen to any viewpoint other than their own. (It is a very rare occation that I find a post worth replying to in the Atrium.)

Regarding the web sites above, there are more than a few extremists out on the web, and I tend to shy away from them as well.

PatJ

[Departed Member]

A quick look at any bathroom door will quickly reveal that men wear pants, and women wear dresses.

On my bathroom door its says "Pump out" which is a reference to boat sanitation

Am I doing something wrong here? All we have on the back of our bathroom door is a Chinese calendar ........

[dragonslain]

I bet he feels so big, strong and masculine saying those things while he hides behind the safety of the Internet.

[Father Jim]

Quite an effort is required to quote from context, and twist and reform wording from the Bible.

This effort is for naught. In Paul's letter to the Galatians he states emphatically that the adherence to the old Mosaic Laws is over. He is
firm in this because he says all things are new in Christ Jesus.

Therefore the rules regarding the wearing of clothing of the opposite sex is
done away with, as well as eating of the cloven hoof (ham, bacon, mutton, etc), and the most outrageous of them being the sending of the women to the temple after their monthly cycle to be cleansed for their man for three days.

These old rules are all but forgotten, so why dig up the skirt wearing stuff that was peacefully in its grave.

Father Jim

[Peter v]

He is just the umpteenth person with a personal problem and is seeking to give somebody the guilt.

He is guilty of discriminating people by the way they look.
It is as always the way people think, in the absence off respect for others, and then behave on which is wrong, can be wrong, and has nothing at all to do with the way you look, dress or the colour of your skin or whatever.

Time he went back to a good school and learnt true respect.

Behind the bathroom door, are often coat hangers, on which hang bath robes. they are virtually unisex, called robes, but could also be dresses....
As are towels wrapped around the body, also skirts.... with an absorbant quality.

And as usual words are taken from the bible, and not the message, which I think the whole book is actually about. The message, is to me, that you should live a good life, with respect for everything around you. Not at cost to the environment nor other people. Be a good person.

[crfriend]

Quite an effort is required to quote from context, and twist and reform wording from the Bible.

This effort is for naught. In Paul's letter to the Galatians he states emphatically that the adherence to the old Mosaic Laws is over. He is firm in this because he says all things are new in Christ Jesus.

Therefore the rules regarding the wearing of clothing of the opposite sex is done away with, as well as eating of the cloven hoof (ham, bacon, mutton, etc), and the most outrageous of them being the sending of the women to the temple after their monthly cycle to be cleansed for their man for three days.

These old rules are all but forgotten, so why dig up the skirt wearing stuff that was peacefully in its grave.

Father Jim

Thanks for putting that into perspective as things stand in the New Testament. It's good to hear this from someone religious.

Unfortunately, the passage from Deuteronomy is all too frequently used as a cudgel on guys who merely want an alternative to trousers. We don't bring it up, because we understand that the prohibition is moot at this point, and has been for a very long time, but sadly all too many fundamentalists don't, and that's where the problems start. All we can do at that point is sigh and walk away (and hope we don't get physically attacked in addition to the verbal abuse that gets heaped upon us).

[Since1982]

I really like the term M.U.G. (Male Unbifurcated Garment) This includes skirts, dresses, gowns (like in a hospital), sarongs, sulus, kilts, caftans, and ANY kind of male ROBE, including but not limited to the one Jesus wore. All robes have a skirted area from the waist down.

It's very interesting tho that in certain religions, the religious men are so abashed about wearing a skirted garment they wear them OVER trousers. I won't infer which religions do this, most folks already know. It's not just one religion that does this but at least 3. I call this the Victorian influence.