Political Chatter

[dillon]

And yet it still means the same thing! Political Correctness is trying to pick up a piece of Sh*t by the clean end.

Fred

Which implies that circulating a lie is okay if it makes your point? Isn't that pretty much what's wrong with politics today?

[Caultron]

Political correctness is an attempt to re-brand a stereotype so people think about it differently.

So if you're an Indian, and you don't like the way people think about Indians, you try to get everyone to start caling you Native Americans maybe they'll think about that label differently.

Or the n-word and Black.

Or the k-word and Jewish.

Or the p-word and Polish.

Or the s-word and Asian.

Or whatever.

[Uncle Al]

Moving slightly backwards in this thread, the area of "Freebies", paid for
by their respective governments. Where does the Governments get the
money

This is what's happening in Denmark - - - -

Socialism in Denmark large size 2016-06-03.jpg

Something to think about - -

If the Idle People have everything given to them by their Government,
why should they work
If the Working People pay 90% of their earnings to support the Government
programs, are unable to save or pay their bills, why should they work

Socialism, in any form, doesn't work

Uncle Al

[Orange Apple]

This is what's happening in Denmark - - - -

http://www.snopes.com/denmark-socialism-brutal-meme/

Socialism, in any form, doesn't work

Do you have a Social Security card? That makes you a card-carrying socialist.

[Jim]

I saw a good definition for political correctness lately. It was "speaking about everyone with respect."

[Judah14]

I saw a good definition for political correctness lately. It was "speaking about everyone with respect."

Actually, it depends. When political correctness is taken to the extreme, it becomes a form of censorship as you could only say good things, not criticism, even if its constructive.

[Fred in Skirts]

Socialism, in any form, doesn't work

Do you have a Social Security card? That makes you a card-carrying socialist.

Social Security is paid for by the working people AS AN INSURANCE policy towards retirement. When it was started only those who paid into it were the ones to draw from it. It was not a government give away program. It was solvent when all other programs the government had were broke. The money could not be used for anything but retirement of the individuals who paid into it..
Then congress got tired of seeing all of this money they could not touch and moved it in to the general fund at the same time telling the people it will not be used for anything other than it's intended purpose. It did not take long for them to start "borrowing" from the funds. Now after all of the phony baloney from the government everyone gets a social security check wither they paid into it or not, even illegal aliens. Just another pile of government Bullsh*t.

Fred

[Pdxfashionpioneer]

Fred, I need to correct a few misconceptions here.
From the start BOTH employers and employees pay into Social Security, equally, Btw.
Social Security payments are based on you earnings so I am uncertain who you are talking about when you say people can draw Social Security when they haven't paid into it. Who do you mean? Disability payments don't count because that's paid out of a different fund.
From the beginning, the actuaries who established Social Security to run out money, but that was so far out in the future they figured Congress would fix it before it became a real problem.
Similarly, from the beginning it was anticipated that there would be surplus and that the surplus be invested in government securities because they were so safe3. That is the practice to this day.
All of the cash goes t0 federal checking account, like it most businesses, but so long as it is properly accounted for,it doesn't really matter where the cash is deposited.

[Uncle Al]

A big AMEN Fred
I've paid into Soc. Sec. since I was 14 years old.
Now I'm 65 years old and drawing Soc. Sec. from
what I've spent 45+ years paying into. That's fair
Getting Soc. Sec. from NOT paying into it is UN-fair

I just wish that Soc. Sec. C.O.L. adjustments would
increase as fast as inflation/prices. When I was first
married, my wife & I could get a week's worth of
groceries for $10.00, now it's more like $100.00 to
get the same items.

A loaf of bread was $.39 - now it's $2.59. I could
go on but I won't.

Uncle Al

[crfriend]

I've paid into Soc. Sec. since I was 14 years old. Now I'm 65 years old and drawing Soc. Sec. from what I've spent 45+ years paying into. That's fair

Then you've got guys like me who have been paying into it for decades as well, and who will never see a dime in benefit from it because the "eligibility age" is now beyond our life expectancies. And that is profoundly UN-fair as well.

[Fred in Skirts]

Fred, I need to correct a few misconceptions here.
From the start BOTH employers and employees pay into Social Security, equally, Btw.
Social Security payments are based on you earnings so I am uncertain who you are talking about when you say people can draw Social Security when they haven't paid into it. Who do you mean? Disability payments don't count because that's paid out of a different fund.
From the beginning, the actuaries who established Social Security to run out money, but that was so far out in the future they figured Congress would fix it before it became a real problem.
Similarly, from the beginning it was anticipated that there would be surplus and that the surplus be invested in government securities because they were so safe3. That is the practice to this day.
All of the cash goes t0 federal checking account, like it most businesses, but so long as it is properly accounted for,it doesn't really matter where the cash is deposited.

Yes I know that the employer also paid into your account.

I know of about a dozen people in my area that have not worked a day in their life, lived on welfare until they were 65 then started to receive SS and their welfare checks.

As for the the SS fund it was a separate fund that was kept separate and could not be used by the government to pay other bills. It was moved out of the separate fund and into the general fund so that it could be used for spending on congresses excessive over spending. It is no longer properly accounted for!

Fred

[Jim]

I know of about a dozen people in my area that have not worked a day in their life, lived on welfare until they were 65 then started to receive SS and their welfare checks.

One is not eligible for SS unless one has worked at least 40 quarters (10 years). Either you don't know all the information about these people (which sounds more likely) or they found a way to defraud our Social Security system.

There has been no real welfare system, in at least most of the US, for some time, just temporary assistance. Here's the Illinois definition:

The Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program provides temporary financial assistance for pregnant women and families with one or more dependent children. TANF provides financial assistance to help pay for food, shelter, utilities, and expenses other than medical. - http://www.dhs.state.il.us/page.aspx?item=30358

Maybe the people you are thinking about were disabled with a disability that is not immediately visible?

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR SSI?

Anyone who is:

(age 65 or older);

blind; or

disabled.

And, who:

has limited income; and

limited resources; and

is a U.S. citizen or national, or in one of certain categories of aliens; and
is a resident of one of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, or the Northern Mariana Islands; and

is not absent from the country for a full calendar month or for 30 consecutive days or more; and

is not confined to an institution (such as a hospital or prison) at the government's expense; and

applies for any other cash benefits or payments for which he or she may be eligible, (for example, pensions, Social Security benefits); and

gives SSA permission to contact any financial institution and request any financial records about you; and

files an application; and

meets certain other requirements. https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm

[crfriend]

Maybe the people you are thinking about were disabled with a disability that is not immediately visible?

It's also fairly easy to get onto SSI. My ex successfully gamed the system and convinced enough folks that she was disabled and was able to retire quite comfortably on it. She spent the better part of a decade jetting about the country going to cat shows whilst "disabled" and all the while I stayed behind, worked for a living, and took care of the house and the other cats.

[Jim]

Maybe the people you are thinking about were disabled with a disability that is not immediately visible?

It's also fairly easy to get onto SSI. My ex successfully gamed the system and convinced enough folks that she was disabled and was able to retire quite comfortably on it. She spent the better part of a decade jetting about the country going to cat shows whilst "disabled" and all the while I stayed behind, worked for a living, and took care of the house and the other cats.

There are always thieves. They should be punished. But getting on SSI is not always easy for those who need it, and it hardly allows any savings at all as there is an assets test. Let's don't start with the assumption that someone whom those investigating have determined disabled are thieves.

[Judah14]

It's also fairly easy to get onto SSI. My ex successfully gamed the system and convinced enough folks that she was disabled and was able to retire quite comfortably on it. She spent the better part of a decade jetting about the country going to cat shows whilst "disabled" and all the while I stayed behind, worked for a living, and took care of the house and the other cats.

Isn't it required to show a medical certificate to prove that the applicant has a disability? Filipino SSS requires a medical certificate for application for disability benefit, and also specifies what is considered disability. I am pretty sure the people at SSS here know how others might game the system and closed the loopholes.