Skirts for Men, a re-emergence

General discussion of skirt and kilt-based fashion for men, and stuff that goes with skirts and kilts.
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Here is a link I found while searching for info on the
Mountain Hardware Hiking Kilt, and worth the read.

http://www.articlecity.com/articles/men ... e_78.shtml

Now, we need to get this info out to the world.
But, I'll start by getting it out locally, then it can
grow on it's own. :D

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PS. Found this site for over 4,000 skirts.

http://www.nextag.com/skirts/search-html
Hope this helps anyone that is interested in these styles.
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Uncle Al wrote:Here is a link I found while searching for info on the
Mountain Hardware Hiking Kilt, and worth the read.

http://www.articlecity.com/articles/men ... e_78.shtml
Yes, that's Mr. Jay Dezelic's from a couple (or few) years ago. If I recall correctly, he was either active here at SkirtCafe, or perhaps at Tom's Cafe, back when the article was written.

I like the article, but there are some technicalities in it that absolutely drive me berserk -- like the wrong word used in place of a proper one, and where it passes a spell-check. This indicates that whatever software he was using "corrected" some of his original mistakes (and we all make them...) incorrectly and then failled to call it out. Also, I don't believe a proper proofread was ever done. With those items in mind, even though the article certainly shows very strong promise, I'd not circulate it with the errors still in it. But then again, I'm a bit of a pedant when it comes to formal journalistic writing, and find the number of careless screw-ups in major newspapers positively painful to encounter (and one encounters them all too frequently).

Jay's thesis, I believe, is valid. There is certainly precedent in historical garb for skirts on guys, end even gowns and robes, so this is not "new" territory -- it's just that the older garments are "obsolete" by modern standards; so obsolete, in fact, that the garments are virtually unknown as ever being worn by men. The article does bring that facet out, but the assorted errors, I feel, detract seriously from the overall impact.
http://www.nextag.com/skirts/search-html
Hope this helps anyone that is interested in these styles.
I wonder if individuals can order from them, or whether they're more of a wholesaler. For some reason, I have the impression that they're the latter.
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Carl wrote=I wonder if individuals can order from them, or whether they're more
of a wholesaler. For some reason, I have the impression that they're the latter.
When you visit the link, on the right you will notice another
link to take you to 'the store' where the product is located.
Also, the name of 'the store' is just to the left of the link button.
Some are Lane Bryant, Just My Size, Romans, etc.

Hope this helps to eliminate any confusion about the skirt site.

Now Carl, if you have time( :laff: :wall: ), how would you re-write
Jay's article eliminating the 'goofs'? <grin> :hide:

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Uncle Al wrote:Now Carl, if you have time( :laff: :wall: ), how would you re-write
Jay's article eliminating the 'goofs'? <grin> :hide:
As I've mentioned, the overall thrust of Jay's article is very good; it just has a few blemishes on it.
  • "stave of the scrapes of workman's toil" ought to read, "stave off the scrapes of the workman's toil
  • "their climaxed controlled cars" to, "their climate controlled cars"
  • "female counterparts, transgressed long ago", insert "who" between the comma and "transgressed"
  • "men wearing skirts in today's sex polarized society" should, grammatically read, "sexually polarized"
  • What's the purpose of the "? -" or ". -" punctuation? Is that one sentence or two?
  • "the Philippians" -- does he mean "Philippines"?
I'll state again that this is most emphatically not an assault on Jay's thesis -- it's about proofreading the proposed copy, and about not relying on computational spelling- and grammar- checkers.

The devil, in so may things, is in the details, and if one is to present one's ideas to the general public -- especially if they "run against the grain" a bit -- it's always best to have the presentation as polished as humanly possible.

Edited to fix a typo -- "is" for "it". Witness the value of proofreading things. {GRRR}
Fixed another typo -- "coma" for "comma" I should have gotten another pair of eyes on this!
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I agree firmly with crfriend, treated as a proof, it can be polished up quite a bit, not only by grammatical mistakes, but also with":
"Until now, men have considered the idea of wearing something other than pants or long shorts in public to be nothing less than a sacrilege against humanity."

I think that puts people on the wrong foot from the word go!

I would say "Until now, most people have considered men wearing..."
Or: "In general most men, excepting an ever larger growing group of male skirt wearers, have considered the idea .... "

And "naturally skirt wearing is not every man's choice, but for an ever growing group it is."

And I think that there is sometimes too much empathis on the past, when men wore skirts / dress type garments.
Even if that were not the case, it is about what men want now, not at all what people did or wore thousands of years ago or more recently. We don't have to seek acceptance based on "what men wore in rome etc". It is about what men want today. I for one am wearing skirts today because I want to wear them, certainly not because I can say "BUT men wore skirted garments in the beginning of time. They burnt people ( so called witches too... ) :shock: :? :(

It is the fashion that a part of the male community wants to wear. Just like some men wear suits, and some wear jeans, etc.

That gives a totally different approach to the story.
A man is the same man in a pair of pants or a skirt. It is only the way people look at him that makes the difference.
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Peter v wrote:I agree firmly with crfriend, treated as a proof, it can be polished up quite a bit, not only by grammatical mistakes, but also with":
"Until now, men have considered the idea of wearing something other than pants or long shorts in public to be nothing less than a sacrilege against humanity."

I think that puts people on the wrong foot from the word go!
I let that stand quite deliberately because it formed the crux of Jay's thesis -- it's men themselves who are the prime "limiters".

Note, too, that this will be my last comment on the matter because I do NOT want to be seen as slagging off on Jay's article. I will, however, continue to revise my commentary, by way of documented edits, so that the virtue of proofreading and continual refinement can be seen. As of this writing, I've already corrected two gaffes with my own work. What's that old straw about "people who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones?"
And I think that there is sometimes too much empathis on the past, when men wore skirts / dress type garments.
Historical context is seldom in vain, although sometimes it may seem to be. It's true that those who are not interested in a particular notion (whatever the notion may be) will not suddenly develop one if history is invoked, but those that may have a latent interest may have their curiosity piqued enough to actually go and do some independent research. I'd posit that it's the latter crowd that we (as "men in skirts") are interested in.
Even if that were not the case, it is about what men want now, not at all what people did or wore thousands of years ago or more recently. We don't have to seek acceptance based on "what men wore in rome etc". It is about what men want today.
True, to a modern bloke and his current "squeeze", what prevailling fashions were in Rome are of little consequence, but bringing the notion up can at least provide for some historical context rather than looking at the "phenomenon" of "men in skirts" as if it popped up in a vacuum. Think of this historical context as a form of "intellectual lubricant" to the modern psyche.
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Hey Carl, I thought I was the honorary spell checker at this site! hehehehee Your gonna statr making me thimk Im a looser.
Carl wrote: "the Philippians" -- does he mean "Philippines"?
Noooo, I think he means the Philippians, a race of pre-Greek warriors who lived between the Egyptian and Greco-Roman times. Then again maybe he "does" mean the Philippines but just can't spell them.
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I would say his article is a good one. The only thing I would agree with crfriend because this shouldn't be used as the only piece of marketing to convince guys that it's ok to wear a skirt, but simply to say "this isn't a new thought nor is it a thought that only one or a few people had." It should however say, you're in control of your own life and if you chose to live it the way other people see fit, then you'll never really be free. Don't let the clothing and magazines and other "experts" tell you how you should look, they know a set of rules for color and fitment; that's it. They don't know what you like or what your personality is like. They only know the modern trends set by other companies. They want to dress you in what they think you should wear, very rarely truly asking "you" what you want to wear or look like.
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Since1982 wrote:I thought I was the honorary spell checker at this site! hehehehee Your gonna statr making me thimk Im a looser.
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Bonsoir,
Moi aussi j'aime porter une jupe.En France cela n'est encore pas tres courant.Un tres bon livre Men in skirts de Andrew Bolton
Amicalement
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French to English translation (Babel Fish) for previous post.

Good evening, Me also j' like to wear a skirt. In France that n' is not yet very running. A very good Men book in skirts of Andrew Bolton In a friendly way.
"YES SKIRTING MATTERS"!
"Kilt-On" -or- as the case may be "Skirt-On" !
WHY ?
Isn't wearing a kilt enough?
Well a skirt will do in a pinch!
Make mine short and don't you dare think of pinching there !
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Just looking around to see if I could find any small denver clothing stores (and yes the prices are very, very high) and I found this

http://www.manifolding.com/clothing.html

notice that in one or a couple of the mannequins, the gender is obviously male, and he's wearing a skirt.

now that I looked through the site more and more, I don't know if she ran out of things to put her clothes on, but it doesn't look like it's an actual boutique, but more of a site to show off what she's done in grad. school.
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Babelfish translation is no translation:
Bonsoir,
Moi aussi j'aime porter une jupe.En France cela n'est encore pas tres courant.Un tres bon livre Men in skirts de Andrew Bolton
Amicalement

Good evening.
I like wearing skirts too. In France, it's not very common. A very good book: Men in Skirts, by A.B.
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