Cravings for skirt-wearing

General discussion of skirt and kilt-based fashion for men, and stuff that goes with skirts and kilts.
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Craving? Addiction? Fetish?

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skirttron wrote:I certainly get the skirt craving. I am lucky to be able to wear kilts most weekends and some evenings, but I love being able to wear an unequivocal skirt and opportunities for that are very rare.
The qualities listed in the subject line are along a continuum and, sadly, all towards one end of it. I'd start the notion off with "Desire".

In any event, I'm very fortunate to have a highly intelligent wife who not only understands, but accepts the fact that I wear skirts. In fact, I get to wear skirts pretty much any time I'm not either at work (even though I work for a company that's mostly populated with highly creative and intelligent people, the ones I work for are not) or in my occasional dealing with my "blood" family (parents & whatnot) who would decidedly not "get it". So, whilst I enjoy the afternoon ritual of getting home from work, chucking the tr*users, and donning a skirt, I cannot truthfully say that it's a craving.

So, if anything, I'd be wary of the words we use to describe things; they can come back in strange ways.
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I said in an earlier post that, in my opinion, the wearing of skirts by men seems to have some similarities to an addiction. I didn't mean to assert that it was an addiction - merely that some similarities exist.

I'm a recovering alcoholic/addict - and have been through rehabs etc. - and have done voluntary work for many years for a small agency that works in this field. So I've got a background in addiction - and I can recognise some of the similarities - particularly in respect of a preoccupation with (the subject of addiction) - anticipation about (the substance or behaviour concerned) - the feeling of relief when (the substance or behaviour) is taken or acted out.

I can't remember all of the symptoms of addiction now - but those are three that could be applied to wearing a skirt - preoccupation, anticipation and relief - or to taking heroin, alcohol, etc.

Again, I must stress that I am not comparing skirt wearing with heroin!! Skirts are more expensive for a start! ;)

Nevertheless, some similarities are there. People use lots of different behaviours to cope with stress or other emotional challenges - most are fairly healthy - some are not. Examples of unhealthy coping mechanisms would be drug abuse, drinking a lot, gambling a lot, over-eating; anorexia etc.

I believe that, for a lot of us, wearing a skirt is one of the ways which we use to deal with some of the stress in our lives. Several posters have mentioned a feeling of relief etc. when they put on a skirt - and I feel the same way. I feel calmer when I am wearing a skirt. I don't see any harm in this at all - unless (and this is a big point) our skirt wearing begins to have a strong negative impact on some aspect of our lives (job, family, health etc.). It is at that point that a harmless behaviour could turn into a more harmful addiction.

One test of an addiction is to determine if the behaviour is voluntary - i.e. a free choice - or is it driven by some internal demon sort of thing. Years ago when I was first assessed for alcoholism a nurse asked me to stop drinking for an agreed amount of time - we decided on 3 weeks. I said - "easy". But I could not do it. My drinking was being driven by an internal hunger - rather than by a free choice.

Only an individual can decide if his skirt wearing is a harmless behaviour or is an addiction. I know what mine is.

My name is Christopher - I'm a skirtoholic . . . :D

No - sorry - bad taste joke. The key sign of an addiction is if the behaviour has a negative impact on a person's life - yet the person continues with that behaviour. So - if wearing a skirt is creating very negative impacts on a persons' life - then he should look at what is going on. He may be using skirt-wearing as a emotional means of avoiding ongoing issues in his life. Bad news.

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ChristopherJ wrote:I said in an earlier post that, in my opinion, the wearing of skirts by men seems to have some similarities to an addiction. ..............> I can recognise some of the similarities - particularly in respect of a preoccupation with (the subject of addiction) - anticipation about (the substance or behaviour concerned) - the feeling of relief when (the substance or behaviour) is taken or acted out. ...............>

I believe that, for a lot of us, wearing a skirt is one of the ways which we use to deal with some of the stress in our lives. Several posters have mentioned a feeling of relief etc. when they put on a skirt - and I feel the same way. I feel calmer when I am wearing a skirt. I don't see any harm in this at all - unless (and this is a big point) our skirt wearing begins to have a strong negative impact on some aspect of our lives (job, family, health etc.). It is at that point that a harmless behaviour could turn into a more harmful addiction. ...............>

Only an individual can decide if his skirt wearing is a harmless behaviour or is an addiction.
Interesting points raised, Christopher. I've never heard it (skirt-wearing) being regarded as a 'behaviour' issue, before, as opposed to say, cross-dressing. Some contributers here are fortunate to have the full support of family/friends - do they (the family,etc.) regard (our) Kilt/skirt-wearing as an 'addiction' or (presumed abnormal?) behaviour?

Certainly, there are folk on some (all?) of the "Kilt-only" & "My Kilt's not a skirt - so there!" forums who certain display all of the symptoms you have identified, and I have to admit, if I came across them in 'real life', I would probably cross the road to avoid them! But that relates to their apparent insecurity/aggression/'superiority complex', not their Kilts!

I'm also intrigued by the notion that wearing a skirt could affect one's mental ability to deal with stress in some way. Maybe I am more relaxed (my wife's best friend reckons so), but that is purely down to the fact that I'm not suffering the physical effects that wearing tr*users (for any length of time) exacerbates. As even medics have (tentatively) advised me that, "it would preferable to wear a skirt or sarong" to reduce the problems, I don't identify with 'addiction' - just plain 'comfort'. :think:
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Interesting points raised, Christopher. I've never heard it (skirt-wearing) being regarded as a 'behaviour' issue, before, as opposed to say, cross-dressing. Some contributers here are fortunate to have the full support of family/friends - do they (the family,etc.) regard (our) Kilt/skirt-wearing as an 'addiction' or (presumed abnormal?) behaviour?
It is interesting to ponder some of these issues. I don't have them clear in my mind yet, so I am just feeling my way forward.
In respect of cross dressers, I would not characterise their skirt wearing as a "behaviour" issues or an addiction, because for cross dressers, wearing feminine clothes is an expression of WHAT they are - i.e. the clothes are used to define themselves by demonstrating the feminine aspect of their character.

Men in skirts on the other hand are not using clothes to define themselves - apart from in the sense of fashion freedom. That's my take anyway. I don't define myself as a man in a skirt. I'm simply a man - and I choose to wear a skirt sometimes.

How family or friends relate to a man who wears skirts would, I believe, have more to do with the relationship between the people concerned, rather than any issues concerning the actual wearing of skirts.
I'm also intrigued by the notion that wearing a skirt could affect one's mental ability to deal with stress in some way.
That's slightly the wrong way round, I think. Wearing a skirt does not affect our mental ability. It's more the case that wearing a skirt could be a way to release inner tension. Of course, there are loads of other ways of releasing this sort of tension - meditating, going for a walk, kicking the cat . . etc. - so wearing a skirt is just one way of chilling out.

I don't know why wearing a skirt should have this effect, but several posters here have said that skirting makes them feel calmer - and that is my own experience too.

It's probably a zen thing. :D
I don't identify with 'addiction' - just plain 'comfort'.
I doubt if most guys who wear skirts could relate to the addiction aspect of this. But then, most people who drink alcohol do not get addicted to it - but some people do. The key thing of any addiction, whether it is to a chemical like alcohol, cocaine or heroin - or to a behaviour like gambling, shopping, eating, exercise etc. - is that it (the chemical or behaviour) changes the way that people feel (it makes them feel good).
Now - if wearing a skirt can change the way that people feel (i.e. make them feel good or make them feel calm), then there is the potential that some people may become addicted to skirt wearing - in the sense that they come to rely upon wearing a skirt in order to get "good feelings" that are otherwise missing from their lives.

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just plain 'comfort'=make them feel good, that's it. Kilts do that too. IMO not any more an addiction than taking a shower and feeling clean, or eating a meal and feeling satisfied.

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About a year and half ago I noticed my then three year old granddaughter staring at me while I was wearing a long, tan skirt (one of my favorites). Since she was staying with us a lot I decided not to wear a skirt around her anymore. The look on her face was confused.
Maybe I'm jus paranoid (actually I am according to my therapist) but since then I seldom wear a skirt anymore and find myself seldom wearing a kilt.
As much as I wanted to wear skirted garments all my life, I'm getting out of practice.
If society accepted men in skirts it would be no problem.
But the negative vibes I feel from other people, even those close to me who should be accepting me, but aren't actually depresses me over the whole subject.
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Post by ChristopherJ »

just plain 'comfort'=make them feel good, that's it. Kilts do that too. IMO not any more an addiction than taking a shower and feeling clean, or eating a meal and feeling satisfied.
I agree completely binx. What I'm trying to say (and not very well) is that a danger of addiction exists with any sort of behaviour (sex, eating, exercise, skirt wearing, shopping, house cleaning etc. etc.) if a person *comes to rely on that behaviour* as their only way of getting good feelings - i.e. satisfaction, pleasure, calmness etc.

It's that reliance that is the key. If the only pleasure in a persons' life was derived from wearing a kilt - then that is an unhealthy situation. In real life, I do not believe that this situation arises. But - the repeated references on this thread to either craving for skirt wearing or feeling cranky sort of thing when not able to wear skirts etc. indicates that there is some potential for addiction there.

If anyone thinks they are not addicted in any way at all to skirt wearing - then fine. Go without skirting for 4 weeks - as a test. See how you feel. :D
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Too much analysis!!

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Too much analysis here. Do you agonize whether you will wear a shirt or a tee-shirt, or what colour socks to wear?

A skirt is just an item of clothing - wear it and enjoy it!
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ChristopherJ wrote:If the only pleasure in a persons' life was derived from wearing a kilt - then that is an unhealthy situation.
Why? Look at the Kilt (only) forums - they are packed with folk who seem to fit just that criteria! Most (sadly, not all!) of them appear to be well-adjusted, confident blokes, to be fair. Whilst it may be regarded as "rather sad" by some, it is never-the-less their choice, their pleasure (& harms no-one!).

And as a bonus, it's physically healthy, too! As for feeling 'cranky', much of that relates to the respective (physical) comfort advantages of Kilts/skirts over tr*users. Quite a number of folk work in jobs where, for H&S reasons, tr*users are de rigeur. What's so wrong with 'desiring' to remove them ASAP after work, and putting on something more comfortable? :think:
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ChristopherJ wrote: .. for cross dressers, wearing feminine clothes is an expression of WHAT they are - i.e. the clothes are used to define themselves by demonstrating the feminine aspect of their character.

Men in skirts on the other hand are not using clothes to define themselves - apart from in the sense of fashion freedom. ... I don't define myself as a man in a skirt. I'm simply a man - and I choose to wear a skirt sometimes.
I don't think that crossdressing/skirt-wearing fits into such neat categories. For one thing, if you follow crossdressers.com, you'll see a variety: for some, giving up crossdressing would be a kind of spiritual suicide, other say -- and mean -- if they had to choose between giving up CD'ing and giving up family, they would unquestionably give up the CD'ing.

And here at SkirtCafe, I see a wide variety of points of view.

For myself, skirt-wearing expresses some essential aspect of who I am. Some people might call this aspect "feminine," but I don't. And I feel that giving up skirt-wearing would mean suppressing one aspect of myself. I've spent my whole life suppressing "unacceptable" parts of myself to the point that I feel like there's no me left. Now that more than half my life is gone, I realize that I'm not willing to die having been nothing but the shadow of other people's expectations.

Does this make my skirt-wearing a "behavior"? Or a way of "defining myself"?

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I often compare skirt-wearing or crossdressing to things like being a NY Yankees [baseball team] fan. Some people get pretty serious about it, putting up Yankees posters in their officies/cubicles, wearing Yankees ties, talking with fellow fans, expressing their love of the Yankees whenever the opportunity arises, and, of course, going to as many games as possible.

How might a die-hard Yankees fan feel if he/she had to spend a lot of time with people who regarded being a baseball fan as somewhere between peculiar and a mental disorder?

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