By the way, nice looking SUV trainman
Hmm, Long time no post.
I can think of another reason to have a big vehicle that doesn't seem to have been mentioned. How about when you have to be carting around upwards to nine people at a time? There are a lot of times when my grandpa drives my cousins to places (my uncle's family is living with us) and of course me and my sister as well. When you have a bunch of people to move around it is much more convenient than using several cars. Same goes with when you need to move around a large amount of items (like a ton of groceries) or just some big items like lumber or furniture.
By the way, nice looking SUV trainman
By the way, nice looking SUV trainman
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Iain,
Now you are just being silly. Your blinkered viewpoint might be valid for the millions who live in urban squalor, fighting it out in traffic jams, who have public transport systems as an alternative and who might be more suited to these little hutches such as the Atoz.
For those who have more sense than to live in with the herds of estate dwelling sheep, who value a bit of space and room to breathe, those little mobile pods are not always the most practical of vehicles.
My last car was a Shogun, Short wheelbase, bought because I needed something to tow my boat round and launch it, tow my trailer to the dump and to help with house moves etc (A real trailer, not a little Halfords toy), the machine is also far more capable in the local winter floods than anything I have owned before or since, the height gives me good visibility when trundling up and down the local single track roads of oncoming traffic and the nudge bars do help when dealing with herds of sheep and the odd flock of cows. The mud tyres help when passing oncoming traffic on single track roads, much better than getting stuck in ditches.
And as for traffic discipline, it isn't just SUV's who don't indicate, it's three quarters of the drivers on the roads who seem to be keeping their indicators for emergencies, probably to use the bulbs to replace those worn out foglights which never get turned off.
Oh and another reason the Shogun was ideal for me, I am big, wide shouldered and my upper body is long. So much so that out of the approximately 40 cars I have owned, the Shogun was the only one which gave me reasonably headroom. Almost every car I have set foot in is so low that my eyeline is right at the top of the swept area of the windscreen and normaly the interior driving mirror is at my eye level, getting in the way wen I am trying to look slightly left. This is true even when I drive things like transits, a huge windscreen, but so low down that I am looking through the top edge in those as well. In most cars I have to have the seat half reclined to see out properly. Not so in the Shogun. I wish I still had it. Yes it was thirsty and short of space but at least I fitted it.
Now driving a Sonata which is about the same weight, longer and about the same width. It takes up more room on the road but I suppose that's alright because it's only front wheel drive. I save a bit on petrol (Not as much as I thought I would) and have had to buy another beast to move trailers etc. but at least that won't be everyday transport. Yes it's a rangerover, old, v8, thirsty, no gearbox, and to my surprise, the seats are so high my head is on the roof yet again. Once it has been mobilised it will be kept for towing and playing about in the mud, not ferrying kids to school, (no kids, I prefer chicken), not shopping trips, just the sort of work it was built for.
Once I get it working, I am looking forward to wellies, mud, a kilt (freedom for legs! and less liable to getting plastered with mud) and some scottish off-road action.
Now you are just being silly. Your blinkered viewpoint might be valid for the millions who live in urban squalor, fighting it out in traffic jams, who have public transport systems as an alternative and who might be more suited to these little hutches such as the Atoz.
For those who have more sense than to live in with the herds of estate dwelling sheep, who value a bit of space and room to breathe, those little mobile pods are not always the most practical of vehicles.
My last car was a Shogun, Short wheelbase, bought because I needed something to tow my boat round and launch it, tow my trailer to the dump and to help with house moves etc (A real trailer, not a little Halfords toy), the machine is also far more capable in the local winter floods than anything I have owned before or since, the height gives me good visibility when trundling up and down the local single track roads of oncoming traffic and the nudge bars do help when dealing with herds of sheep and the odd flock of cows. The mud tyres help when passing oncoming traffic on single track roads, much better than getting stuck in ditches.
And as for traffic discipline, it isn't just SUV's who don't indicate, it's three quarters of the drivers on the roads who seem to be keeping their indicators for emergencies, probably to use the bulbs to replace those worn out foglights which never get turned off.
Oh and another reason the Shogun was ideal for me, I am big, wide shouldered and my upper body is long. So much so that out of the approximately 40 cars I have owned, the Shogun was the only one which gave me reasonably headroom. Almost every car I have set foot in is so low that my eyeline is right at the top of the swept area of the windscreen and normaly the interior driving mirror is at my eye level, getting in the way wen I am trying to look slightly left. This is true even when I drive things like transits, a huge windscreen, but so low down that I am looking through the top edge in those as well. In most cars I have to have the seat half reclined to see out properly. Not so in the Shogun. I wish I still had it. Yes it was thirsty and short of space but at least I fitted it.
Now driving a Sonata which is about the same weight, longer and about the same width. It takes up more room on the road but I suppose that's alright because it's only front wheel drive. I save a bit on petrol (Not as much as I thought I would) and have had to buy another beast to move trailers etc. but at least that won't be everyday transport. Yes it's a rangerover, old, v8, thirsty, no gearbox, and to my surprise, the seats are so high my head is on the roof yet again. Once it has been mobilised it will be kept for towing and playing about in the mud, not ferrying kids to school, (no kids, I prefer chicken), not shopping trips, just the sort of work it was built for.
Once I get it working, I am looking forward to wellies, mud, a kilt (freedom for legs! and less liable to getting plastered with mud) and some scottish off-road action.
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Your blinkered viewpoint might be valid for the millions who live in urban squalor, fighting it out in traffic jams
yes! Exactly right, mate!
Us millions are getting mighty fed up with lord and lady muck and their mobile port-a-cabins swallowing up what little road we have left.
they tow no boats, nor do they carry nine people! hah!! what a joke! they sit alone in their leather upholstered finery. not for them the lowly role of bus driver. no, these are aloof we-made-it types. they would no more give a ride to others than lick the beggar's spittle off the sidewalk.
sorry, mate--these people are 100% bona fide prats and all the nicey-nicey political correctness in the world can't hide the fact: a spade is a sodding spade. they are as welcome in our narrow streets as an elephant in a lifeboat.
oh, one more thing: anyone who can fill a vauxhall corsa with groceries must only go food shopping once every two years. to fill a landrover or one of those whacking great porsche bungalows with shopping--well, if the laws of physics are still valid, you'd need to have a family of seventy eight and a mania for collecting televisions. face facts! it ain't gonna happen.
yes! Exactly right, mate!
Us millions are getting mighty fed up with lord and lady muck and their mobile port-a-cabins swallowing up what little road we have left.
they tow no boats, nor do they carry nine people! hah!! what a joke! they sit alone in their leather upholstered finery. not for them the lowly role of bus driver. no, these are aloof we-made-it types. they would no more give a ride to others than lick the beggar's spittle off the sidewalk.
sorry, mate--these people are 100% bona fide prats and all the nicey-nicey political correctness in the world can't hide the fact: a spade is a sodding spade. they are as welcome in our narrow streets as an elephant in a lifeboat.
oh, one more thing: anyone who can fill a vauxhall corsa with groceries must only go food shopping once every two years. to fill a landrover or one of those whacking great porsche bungalows with shopping--well, if the laws of physics are still valid, you'd need to have a family of seventy eight and a mania for collecting televisions. face facts! it ain't gonna happen.
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trainman
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Uh, my fault....Mary Jane Boy wrote:I can't get your link to your other photos to work. Is the URL correct?
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Forgot to reativate the link a couple of weeks ago, been too busy to read my inbox....
Iain, I know where your coming from in urban area's, I've struggled with soccar mums driving things like mine for ages.
But, they are also harder to drive unless you've got experience driving large vehicles, I've always had large cars, and even I had some trouble getting used to the new driving position at first (although must say that B&Bashful, the seats are much better for me, i'm 6'1" with short-ish arms).
Why I said unprintable... I've had too much trouble with aceholes like yourself cutting me off in not only my cruiser, but also in my falcon and kingswood over the years. And while no one can't justify tailgating, you also can't justify holding up traffic and cutting them off either.
I'll also try to justify myself to you (not even the gods know why, and i'm not even sure why I feel the need to). I have a passion for photography, and most of it is done in the "Bush". Most of the roads I travel are little better than tyre ruts. My last car has died because of these road punding the hell out of the suspension. I also happen to find that most cars have a very uncomfortable driving position. And the main reason I bought this instead of some PC station wagon, most of the cars I saw in my price range were very dodgy condition, and would have cost a small fortune to bring back to good repair. Being a 1990 model, this cruiser still has the outdated 3F Toyota motor which uses a MANUAL choked carby, a cast iron head, and has no computer to speak of. Hence it's easy to repair, and cheap to buy parts for.
I also can't believe what a fuss you've made over such a trivial issue.
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But it's NOT trivial to those of us who live in the over-congested urban areas of the UK. You just happen to have hit a nerve! These vehicles are fabulous in the terrain where they are needed! But that certainly ain't in the over-crowded flat lands of suburbia/urbania! There's three down our street - it's flat earth territory here by the way - they occupy more than their fair share of road/path/junction, purely by being 'dumped' with total dis-regard for anyone else. One's a Shogun (known as 'Roll-Overs' by the local Plods for their propensity to be unstable cornering at any degree of speed!), the owner (tight jean-clad 'floosie'), couldn't park in the desert, never mind a car park! :sarcastic: As for anyone else in the vehicle - her other half won't even ride with her! The only other drivers whose road manners are worse are the Christians (assumed from the 'fish' emblem on the boot?), who invariably drive a Daf (sorry, it says "Volvo 340" on the car!) who assume they have a 'god-given' right to p*ss off the rest of humanity! :shake:trainman wrote:I also can't believe what a fuss you've made over such a trivial issue.
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Fair enough, in a overcrowded area I could see it being a real problem.merlin wrote:But it's NOT trivial to those of us who live in the over-congested urban areas of the UK. You just happen to have hit a nerve! These vehicles are fabulous in the terrain where they are needed! But that certainly ain't in the over-crowded flat lands of suburbia/urbania! There's three down our street - it's flat earth territory here by the way - they occupy more than their fair share of road/path/junction, purely by being 'dumped' with total dis-regard for anyone else. One's a Shogun (known as 'Roll-Overs' by the local Plods for their propensity to be unstable cornering at any degree of speed!), the owner (tight jean-clad 'floosie'), couldn't park in the desert, never mind a car park! :sarcastic: As for anyone else in the vehicle - her other half won't even ride with her!
Hmm, I only find christians offensive when they open there mouths... Otherwise they just get my usual "Go away as fast as you can" treatment, but once I know there christian, I like to play with there imbecillic little minds...merlin wrote:The only other drivers whose road manners are worse are the Christians (assumed from the 'fish' emblem on the boot?), who invariably drive a Daf (sorry, it says "Volvo 340" on the car!) who assume they have a 'god-given' right to p*ss off the rest of humanity! :shake:
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Why shouldn't I make a fuss over anything I feel passionate about? A lot of people say to me, "I can't believe you make such a fuss over wearing that kilt" when they just want me to shut up and do whatever suits them.
I'll tell you what. How about I make a fuss over anything I want, and anyone who doesn't like it, can keep calling me names! I like making a fuss, I feel very alive when I'm making my point, and all this nicey-nicey dribble where people make a statement and then cancel it out with "sorry!" or "just my two cents!" or "no offence!" just turns their opinions into meaninglessness and means they shouldn't bother in the first place.
Just because we happen to share some fashion choices doesn't mean we should agree on everything. forums are supposed to be lively. some forums start to go so insipid and inoffensive that people treat them with the respect they deserve--i.e. they wander off to find something more interesting.
say what you like--soccer mums (not soccar) do not need these monster vehicles in town and I tell everyone in real life the same thing, it's not just here in a forum. (another of my pet peeves is sloppy, lazy spelling--I restrain myself usually but I am sorely tempted in this case!! my g/f speaks four languages, the fourth of which is english, and she easily understands that there does not equal they're or their! and your does not equal you're!! they are different words--as different as horse and house! they are not the same thing!! no matter where people start from education-wise, they must learn their own language.)
I'll tell you what. How about I make a fuss over anything I want, and anyone who doesn't like it, can keep calling me names! I like making a fuss, I feel very alive when I'm making my point, and all this nicey-nicey dribble where people make a statement and then cancel it out with "sorry!" or "just my two cents!" or "no offence!" just turns their opinions into meaninglessness and means they shouldn't bother in the first place.
Just because we happen to share some fashion choices doesn't mean we should agree on everything. forums are supposed to be lively. some forums start to go so insipid and inoffensive that people treat them with the respect they deserve--i.e. they wander off to find something more interesting.
say what you like--soccer mums (not soccar) do not need these monster vehicles in town and I tell everyone in real life the same thing, it's not just here in a forum. (another of my pet peeves is sloppy, lazy spelling--I restrain myself usually but I am sorely tempted in this case!! my g/f speaks four languages, the fourth of which is english, and she easily understands that there does not equal they're or their! and your does not equal you're!! they are different words--as different as horse and house! they are not the same thing!! no matter where people start from education-wise, they must learn their own language.)
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Hi Iain,
yes, I agree whiff evryfing yoo say, your so rite etcetcetcetc....
I must say I've enjoyed the last batch of debate!
For myself (a lifelong bicycle rider) I hate the following....
1. Volvo drivers who disregard every other road user because they are sitting in a tank.
2. Men in trilby hats driving morris minors or worse. I think the tweed of the hat drains the brain of fluids.
3. Blind old ladies who cut you up because they can't see you.
4. Flashy young blondes driving open topped BMWs who look at you like you've just crawled out from under a stone because you ride a bike.
5. ALL pedestrians....I have been in no end of situations with these bas**rds... Because they can't hear a car coming along behind them they walk straight out in front of you...Bicycles have been around for over a hundred years! Haven't they seen one before?
As for 4x4s....Well they have their place...In the countryside.
I always relish the fact that the Mums buy them because they seem safe, yet every crash test comparison says they're crap in crashes
Jeff.
yes, I agree whiff evryfing yoo say, your so rite etcetcetcetc....
I must say I've enjoyed the last batch of debate!
For myself (a lifelong bicycle rider) I hate the following....
1. Volvo drivers who disregard every other road user because they are sitting in a tank.
2. Men in trilby hats driving morris minors or worse. I think the tweed of the hat drains the brain of fluids.
3. Blind old ladies who cut you up because they can't see you.
4. Flashy young blondes driving open topped BMWs who look at you like you've just crawled out from under a stone because you ride a bike.
5. ALL pedestrians....I have been in no end of situations with these bas**rds... Because they can't hear a car coming along behind them they walk straight out in front of you...Bicycles have been around for over a hundred years! Haven't they seen one before?
As for 4x4s....Well they have their place...In the countryside.
I always relish the fact that the Mums buy them because they seem safe, yet every crash test comparison says they're crap in crashes
Jeff.
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if it is let us get it off our chest time - as well as 4 wheel drive cars let us include personlised registration plates, blue neon lights that shine onto the roads, silly stickers, 'how is my driving stickers giving an 0800 number to ring (I even saw one of those on the back of an army tank!), furry dice and nodding dogs.
And of course the bloke/girl who drives slowly in front of you when you are in a hurry.
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And of course the bloke/girl who drives slowly in front of you when you are in a hurry.
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Nick, how could you? Those blue neon lights you dislike are truly excellent - it's as if the driver is telling the rest of mankind, "I'm a w*nker, I'm a w*nker!". We've a few round here - nearly as bad as those folk who drive around with their fog lights on, seemingly permanently. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else, I like to give 'em 'full beam', just to remind them they are, in fact, breaking the law. Just last week, I even 'flashed up' a copper, no less!
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Haven't posted lately
I've not said anything in a couple of weeks, just done some lurking and reading. This massive assault on Trainman for owning a vehicle that resembles a trainman's train is (imho) downright silly. Why are merlin, iain and others dumping so heavily on one member for merely owning a vehicle that he likes. Don't they own vehicles that they like?
If SUVs were illegal Trainman wouldn't have been able to buy one. Obviously they are not. Get over it, Live and let live.
If SUVs were illegal Trainman wouldn't have been able to buy one. Obviously they are not. Get over it, Live and let live.
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why shouldn't we? last I heard, we were living in a free country. we can just agree with everything if you like.. in which case there's no point posting at all!
trainman knows he's not being singled out--we all share this fashion forum--but it's been boring as hell lately and I personally enjoyed letting off some steam! not everything legal is worthy of my applause. wars, for example, are not illegal. neither is smoking. or using your mobile phone loudly at the table next to me in a restaurant. but don't expect me to put on an insipid grin and slink away! I wanna rant sometimes--and this stupid, obnoxious, block-headed woodentop self-destructive and wilfully ignorant world has got it coming, half the time. in fact more often than not it's just crying out for someone to call a spade a spade. gasp!
in the end it's just some words on a website. he's not gonna sell his car and nobody is gonna change their opinions just 'cos of what I wrote. so maybe you also ought to get over it! it's a forum, after all, not a back slapping committee!
trainman knows he's not being singled out--we all share this fashion forum--but it's been boring as hell lately and I personally enjoyed letting off some steam! not everything legal is worthy of my applause. wars, for example, are not illegal. neither is smoking. or using your mobile phone loudly at the table next to me in a restaurant. but don't expect me to put on an insipid grin and slink away! I wanna rant sometimes--and this stupid, obnoxious, block-headed woodentop self-destructive and wilfully ignorant world has got it coming, half the time. in fact more often than not it's just crying out for someone to call a spade a spade. gasp!
in the end it's just some words on a website. he's not gonna sell his car and nobody is gonna change their opinions just 'cos of what I wrote. so maybe you also ought to get over it! it's a forum, after all, not a back slapping committee!
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Wrong, wrong, wrong!Since1982 wrote:Why are merlin, iain and others dumping so heavily on one member for merely owning a vehicle that he likes.
No-one's 'having a go' at trainman at all! Where he lives, such a vehicle is the sensible option. Apart from that, it's a bit of a beast! 
The point we are making is that there's a place for such vehicles - it's just that they are totally unsuitable as a 'town vehicle' in most UK urban areas. Probably 5/6, or more, of those owned here will never see the type of terrain they're built for. It might not be an 'issue' in the 'Land of the Free', but it's a major issue here, it's cross-party and the 'anti' momentum is growing.......! :ninjajig:
Oh, and my thanks to trainman, too, for livening up the proceedings!!!
This is one of those threads that I just have to post about..
People in the US have so many of those damn things, and rich people who drive them aren't really very smart. If you're smart then you usually get rich by saving money and investing wisely. Obviously these people got very lucky to have what they have, and hard work isn't something they're used to.
I downgraded (in size) my car and like it better than the one I had before which was oddly newer. I know many people drive their SUVs because "I needed something that was bigger and had more space" and then I ask the question "Why do you have so much stuff to carry around? Do you really need it" and that sometimes shuts them quick. The idea of the SUV was to give people with overstuffed cars an option, but now that the companies know people are buying (were buying) SUVs, they've started marketing whordes more rubbish to them. The idea is, we have more space, so we must fill it. Moreover, I too at the filling stations laugh hard and at people when they say, "damn.. Fuel's getting expensive ($2.25/gal) why don't they lower the price" and in reply " Why don't you get smaller thing to drive, eh" and that shuts most of them up when they see my car being much smaller than theirs.
Most of the time I don't take any ******** from people who drive them, I'm not out to forcefully give people my opinions, nor make them feel like they've gone to hell for their decisions, but I just won't take anything they say nicely if they insult my transportation.
People in the US have so many of those damn things, and rich people who drive them aren't really very smart. If you're smart then you usually get rich by saving money and investing wisely. Obviously these people got very lucky to have what they have, and hard work isn't something they're used to.
I downgraded (in size) my car and like it better than the one I had before which was oddly newer. I know many people drive their SUVs because "I needed something that was bigger and had more space" and then I ask the question "Why do you have so much stuff to carry around? Do you really need it" and that sometimes shuts them quick. The idea of the SUV was to give people with overstuffed cars an option, but now that the companies know people are buying (were buying) SUVs, they've started marketing whordes more rubbish to them. The idea is, we have more space, so we must fill it. Moreover, I too at the filling stations laugh hard and at people when they say, "damn.. Fuel's getting expensive ($2.25/gal) why don't they lower the price" and in reply " Why don't you get smaller thing to drive, eh" and that shuts most of them up when they see my car being much smaller than theirs.
Most of the time I don't take any ******** from people who drive them, I'm not out to forcefully give people my opinions, nor make them feel like they've gone to hell for their decisions, but I just won't take anything they say nicely if they insult my transportation.