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I'm new around here and now that I've read through most of the archive I thought I'd better introduce myself.

I'm in my mid forties, married, have an 11 year old son and live in South Buckinghamshire, UK. I first wore a sarong in Egypt a couple of years ago when a friend lent me one the day after I burned the backs of my calfs. I was stunned by just how comfortable it was and so have been wearing a sarong when kicking around at home for the last couple of years.

Initially I felt somewhat ambivalent about it, it was comfortable but was it acceptable? So I was careful not to wear it when I expected people around or if my son had friends over. However over time I simply got so used to wearing it that I forgot to change when people arrived and since no one seemed to care I became far more relaxed about it to the point that I took a sarong with me on a diving holiday with some friends last year and hardly ever wore anything else when I was out of the water. I got a bit of ribbing about my skirt from other club members but since I did not rise to the bait they got bored and that stopped.

My other concern was that my son might get some negativity from other kids at school but he does not care. In fact he tells me he's only had one negative comment (though quite a few questions about why) when a girl in his year challenged him with "Your dad wears a skirt - he must be gay". According to his teacher the reply "You're in trousers so you must be a dyke" was not acceptable :mad: . Suffice to say that the form teacher and I had a few words and the school have now accepted that the girl who approached him, right in front of the teacher, was just as wrong as my son and far more importantly that the teacher was completely out of order to punish only my son, apparently supporting the girl's point of view.

My wife has often said to me in the past that she liked to see men in kilts, so when I found a cheap "kilt" (Mercy Clothing's black, Goth, poly cotton job) on eBay for a few quid, I bought it and wore it on valentines evening as a bit of a joke. My wife loved it and I was amazed to find it was very nearly as comfortable as the sarong and far easier to wear since it does not catch on things as often or, being heavier, get lifted by the wind as easily. Since then I've worn the kilt more often than trousers when not at work. I am quite comfortable socially with the kilt and going shopping, walking the dog and going to the pub all seem perfectly normal to me to the point that I get asked why I'm in not in a kilt if I go to the pub in shorts (usually because I've cycled).

I've also taken to travelling in the kilt whenever practical as it is far more comfortable than trousers when sat on a plane or in a car for hours on end. Flying in and out of Spain and Croatia it has raised a few eyebrows, many smiles and earned me many positive comments. I chose "not to hear" the wolf whistle from a bunch of boozed up football fans :) . The kilt proved to be an excellent conversation starter when travelling and I've met a number of interesting people who I'd never have spoken to otherwise. As a fairly shy guy that is a real positive for me.

I've just ordered another casual kilt (from http://www.mytartan.com) in camouflage print as one is simply not enough.

I also have a number of skirts, three of around 15" length that are great for walking in warm weather but might be difficult socially, sitting down requires great care to avoid showing off, however these skirts have never raised any comment when I've met people out walking. I also have a 35" long black cotton skirt from Wallis with two cargo pockets, which is comfortable and practical and has been worn to the pub with only a few raised eyebrows, and a heavy weight long MUG (40") with huge box pleats front and rear that allows me a full stride and is great for walking in cold weather apart from the problem of getting the hem wet and muddy across country.

Anyhow, enough about me. I'm here to hear of others experiences and learn, so I guess I should shut up.

Have fun,


Ian.

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Welcome ian

Good to hear of your experiences and how you have discovered the well kept secret - skirts are great for men.

I thought that your son's repost to the girl was spot on. The teacher's attitude didn't surprise me though. Its OK for girls to make inappropriate remarks but not boys. Hmm. Glad that you put him/her right. Did the teacher apologise to your son in front of the class? Did the girl get repremanded? Hopefully this has not had any negative impact on your son.

If you want a good cross section of others' experiences then have a look at the "Links" page hereabouts, where there are many really good personal web pages.

Meanwhile - Carry On Skirting!
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Jock wrote:The teacher's attitude didn't surprise me though
My guess is the teacher's objection was to the word 'dyke', which is generally considered perjorative.
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Hi Ian, and welcome to the cafe.

I too started with sarongs, like you because of the sunburn. I've progressed to sarongs and kilts while out and about, but have yet to wear a 'real' skirt in public.

It sounds like your son gives as good as he gets, plus interest :) It's strange how females can make sexist remarks and get away with it, but a male can't. Good for you in redressing the balance.

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Greetings, Ian, and welcome.

Good for your son for (1) standing up to a nasty comment and (2) for sticking up for his dad. He gets two thumbs up from me.

The teacher acted out of turn on this one; if he (or she) had responded appropriately, the aggressor in the case would have gotten the reprimand and the defender (who had a splendid comeback, I must say) merely gotten a reminder that terms like that (from either side) are inappropriate in a social setting. But, alas, that's my rational mind getting to work on things again....

It also sounds like you've had your freedom for a few years -- now there's something to celebrate!
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Welcome to the cafe! I am sure you'll find yourself right at home :)

I began wearing skirts of various kinds and I am in the process of getting a kilt (hopefully in the next week or two). However I have never tried a sarong. I will make sure I try one in the near future before summer is over!

Cheers and welcome!

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Ian wrote:Anyhow, enough about me. I'm here to hear of others experiences and learn, so I guess I should shut up.
Don't ................................... Shut up. We "band of brothers" chat a lot. Some more than others, (Like me) heh. WELCOME TO THE CAFE!!!!!

I started in 1972 with sarongs and sulus, after 10 years of sarongs et al, I progressed to home sewn skirts around the house, (less likely to unravel and fall off like sarongs and sulus) ONLY after finding this site sometime in 2004 and getting more and more used to wearing skirts around the house did I actually venture outside wearing one. At night, IN the bushes, AROUND the corner from home. Then I got CAUGHT!! OMG I thought, Now I'm in for it, this guy is a redneck!! He's gonna kill me. ............... He looked, thought a minute and said, "Nice skirt Skip" and walked away leaving me standing there dumbfounded. The next day I made my furtive way to a nearby convenience store to get some drinks wearing a home sewn black 26 inch straight skirt. I waited outside for an hour of mosquito bites and when there were no customers I slid in the door. Stayed right up to the counter so the girl behind it couldnt see what I was wearing and asked for a 6 pack. She said, Sorry, you'll have to go get it from the cooler yourself and by the way, Nice skirt! As I was turning back to my normal color from blood red in the face, 2 huge redneck commercial fishermen I knew well walked right in the door and there I was wearing a skirt.....One said to the other, Hey Mike, that really looks cool what Skip's wearing. Yeah, said Mike, I have a kilt at home and their really much cooler than pants this time of year.

That was 2 years ago and the rest is history. I no longer wear trousers unless all my skirts are in the dirty wash or its raining buckets outside and I MUST go out there. If I show up at Bingo or the Grocery store wearing trousers, the first thing I hear is "Skip, where's your skirt???":clap: :clap:

By the way, NO ONE ever thought I was gay for wearing a skirt. There are lots of gays in the Florida Keys, Key West even has a gay mayor. No one ever thought I was gay because I was wearing a skirt. In fact, most gays that I know wouldn't be caught dead in one. Different lifestyle completely as far as I've seen. :)
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Since1982 wrote: In fact, most gays that I know wouldn't be caught dead in one. Different lifestyle completely as far as I've seen. :)
A friend of a friend in Pensacola is gay. When he found out I was going to wear my kilt to the sushi bar, he laughed. Said there was no way he'd wear a "skirt" - that got a friendly growl of a correction from me, of course.
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By Mirriam Webster Dictionary, a kilt IS a wrap skirt. Lots of Kilties will argue that insufferably, but it's right in the dictionary in black and white. If your friend looks it up, next time he sees you he's going to be "growling" back...A sarong is a skirt, a sulu is a skirt, an unbifurcated Hakama is a skirt, a tupena/u is a skirt, technically, a kimono is a dress, by definition any garment that is a tube for both legs instead of 2 tubes for 2 legs is technically a skirt. Semantics about what is and isn't a skirt is just for people that like to argue even if they know they're wrong. Even 10 million years ago, when our ancestors wore animal skins wrapped around both legs they were wearing "skirted garments". Yes, I do believe that any garment used to encircle both legs is definitely a skirt, whether it's called a kilt/kikoi/kikoy/sulu/kain/gho/sarong/tupena/kimono/surfkilt or any other similar device it's still a skirted garment, which makes it a skirt.:cheer: :cheer: :clap: :clap:
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:cheer: Thanks for the warm welcome folks, :cheer:

I’ve been here reading for a while, so I feel like I already know many of you (or at least your forum personas).
Jock wrote:Good to hear of your experiences and how you have discovered the well kept secret - skirts are great for men.
I’ve not only discovered it, I’ve taken to telling people too; I never could keep a secret :)
Jock wrote:I thought that your son's repost to the girl was spot on. The teacher's attitude didn't surprise me though. It’s OK for girls to make inappropriate remarks but not boys. Hmm. Glad that you put him/her right. Did the teacher apologise to your son in front of the class? Did the girl get reprimanded? Hopefully this has not had any negative impact on your son.
Yup, I was rather proud of his reply and have stashed it in my memory banks in case I want to use it some day :)

I spoke to the teacher the day after the incident. Since she was quite unrepentant, I went and saw the head teacher; funny how quickly the form teacher reconsidered. The next day the teacher told the whole class that she was sorry she had reacted the way that she had and that the girl’s behaviour was just as inappropriate as my son’s. The girl was also made to apologise to my son in front of the class. I did not insist on a reprimand for the girl as I felt she had learned her lesson already. My lad, however, gained considerable kudos with the other boys in the class - it seems the teacher refuses to believe that any of her female pupils are ever in the wrong. :mad:
isobar wrote:My guess is the teacher's objection was to the word 'dyke', which is generally considered pejorative.
Agreed, however I suspect the subtlety of that is lost on a group of ten and eleven year olds. Then again, is it likely that the girl who started the conversation was using “gay” as a term of endearment?

I was concerned that this might have coloured my son’s opinion of my wearing skirts but, after asking him and watching how he behaves around other kids at our house when I’m skirted, I really believe that he does not care. In fact when I told him I had ordered a camouflage kilt he asked whether I’d ordered one for him too! I agreed that once I’ve looked carefully at the one I’ve ordered to see what the quality is like, if it is up to standard (and he still wants me to) I will get him one.

Skip has expressed the opinion that a kilt is a skirt; I agree but due to social conditioning it is seen as a “bloke skirt” and so guys wearing one may attract second looks and the occasional bit of banter but rarely any suggestion that it is too feminine for a man. It’s funny how people’s perceptions are shaped by conditioning, unfortunately it is also frustrating. :think:

Happy skirting,


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Milfmog wrote:Agreed, however I suspect the subtlety of that is lost on a group of ten and eleven year olds. Then again, is it likely that the girl who started the conversation was using “gay” as a term of endearment?
If this girl was indeed baiting your son, then it seems the teacher has responded selectively and I'm with you on that. Accordingly, perhaps your son had a right to respond, but in an appropriate way. Surely the adults involved have a responsibility to teach him those subtleties? Another way to read this situation is that the teacher did half her job and the unfortunate result was to compound the insult.
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To a person of advancing years, the word 'gay' is an adjective meaning 'bright, pleasant, cheerful'. I can only suppose the usurpation of this word stems from (one of!) Larry Grayson's famous catchphrases, "Have a gay day!" It perturbs me somewhat, that this word is now used, by an increasing number of folk, as a 'noun' with no specific meaning other than implied or actual homosexuality(?). No! I ain't homophobic, but no-one will EVER catch me using it in that way. If that was the intent of the girl in this instance, then it merited disciplinary action.
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merlin wrote:To a person of advancing years, the word 'gay' is an adjective meaning 'bright, pleasant, cheerful'.
You're not the only one who is saddened by the loss of such a useful and cheery word. Unfortunately, though, it's now gone from the common lexicon for any use other than a synonym for "homosexual". To use the word in its classic meaning will cause confusion and, sometimes, consternation amongst listeners or readers.
merlin wrote:I ain't homophobic, but no-one will EVER catch me using it in that way.
I'm not either, because it ultimately doesn't matter unless one is performing a mating dance. But, the sad part is that the (our!) language has "lost" a very useful and descriptive word. I'm not sure who to blame, but I hope (s)he has a "warm lodging" in the afterlife.
merlin wrote:If that was the intent of the girl in this instance, then it merited disciplinary action.
It absolutely was her intent; joyfulness and cheer, whilst they may accompany skirt-wearing, are not what adolescents are thinking of -- they're thinking of doing damage to whomever may be the slightest bit different from "them".
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Milfmog wrote:I spoke to the teacher the day after the incident. Since she was quite unrepentant, I went and saw the head teacher; funny how quickly the form teacher reconsidered. The next day the teacher told the whole class that she was sorry she had reacted the way that she had and that the girl’s behaviour was just as inappropriate as my son’s. The girl was also made to apologise to my son in front of the class. I did not insist on a reprimand for the girl as I felt she had learned her lesson already. My lad, however, gained considerable kudos with the other boys in the class - it seems the teacher refuses to believe that any of her female pupils are ever in the wrong. :mad:
As a former teacher the rotten ones get my ire up. Thank you for speaking up on behalf of your son. Administrators often can't know what really goes on in a classroom beyond test scores so filling in their picture as you did was necessary. I wish you didn't have to though, the classmate's comment should never have happened in the first place and when it did everybody making gay comments should have gotten the lecture.

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crfriend wrote:You're not the only one who is saddened by the loss of such a useful and cheery word. Unfortunately, though, it's now gone from the common lexicon for any use other than a synonym for "homosexual". To use the word in its classic meaning will cause confusion and, sometimes, consternation amongst listeners or readers.
Hey wait, couldn't that same argument be made for traditional skirts men no longer wear and now have become relegated to women only in cultural perception? I'm all for dragging clothes and words back from obscurity into use. Go ahead and say you feel gay and don't worry about what others think. The exception to free usage of course would be the problem of telling office mates they look gay. :sarcastic:

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