A woman taking over the suit....

[STEVIE]

They are playing with a loaded dice.

If that's true BM, it was men who loaded the dice against men, we only have ourselves to blame.
We seem to be able to come up with all manner of reasons why we can't have fashion freedom.
This thread, and its content is a perfect example.
If men choose, we have the power to realign the dice.
Difficult yes, even painful at times, but worth it in the end, isn't it?

it is people like her husband who promulgate the belief that men like us who wear skirts out of choice are wearing "women's clothing" - hence the hypocrisy.

Apologies for missing the humour Sepchugang. However, we have another irony, many men find a woman so attired very attractive indeed.
It's perfectly possible that her husband is one, I wonder what his off duty fashion foibles are, hypocrisy indeed!
Steve.

PS Mouse just proved my point!

[Barleymower]

They are playing with a loaded dice.

If that's true BM, it was men who loaded the dice against men, we only have ourselves to blame.
We seem to be able to come up with all manner of reasons why we can't have fashion freedom.
This thread, and its content is a perfect example.
If men choose, we have the power to realign the dice.
Difficult yes, even painful at times, but worth it in the end, isn't it?

Stevie you reply is built around the notion that men have caused the situation we find themselves in. Men were placed in this situation with the women.

We are all just adhereing to the programming. It is no mistake that we behave the way we do. We do it because that's we are told to do. Women were handed the loaded dice and it can just as easily be taken away.

We all (men and women) need to wake up and see that we are being made fools of.

[crfriend]

Stevie you reply is built around the notion that men have caused the situation we find themselves in. Men were placed in this situation with the women.

And the women escaped the situation because women have historically been allowed greater latitude in behaviour and attire. The cards remained stacked against men and the dice remain loaded.

However, even loaded dice do not always come up precisely the way they're loaded; some randomness always remains. Or, an alternative in this case, if the dice are loaded to favour rolling snake-eyes instead of boxcars, then rewrite the rules to make snake-eyes count more than boxcars. It can be a matter of interpretation, and if we can get everyone to agree to the new rules, then the loaded dice no longer make as much of a difference. Women have done this time and time within the bargaining complex that is society and have essentially enslaved men by so doing -- and this is a battle that cannot be won by violence, it takes wit, determination, deceit, and perseverance -- most of which are not really male traits any longer.

[Barleymower]

Stevie you reply is built around the notion that men have caused the situation we find themselves in. Men were placed in this situation with the women.

And the women escaped the situation because women have historically been allowed greater latitude in behaviour and attire. The cards remained stacked against men and the dice remain loaded.

However, even loaded dice do not always come up precisely the way they're loaded; some randomness always remains. Or, an alternative in this case, if the dice are loaded to favour rolling snake-eyes instead of boxcars, then rewrite the rules to make snake-eyes count more than boxcars. It can be a matter of interpretation, and if we can get everyone to agree to the new rules, then the loaded dice no longer make as much of a difference. Women have done this time and time within the bargaining complex that is society and have essentially enslaved men by so doing -- and this is a battle that cannot be won by violence, it takes wit, determination, deceit, and perseverance -- most of which are not really male traits any longer.

Carl, you may or may not be correct. It's hard to tell. Like a lobster waiting to be plunged into a saucepan of nice warm salty water, it probably has no idea if the hotel will turn a profit this year. Either way, life has a habit of righting itself and nothing lasts very long.
I don't blame our women folk neither will I just give up.

[crfriend]

Carl, you may or may not be correct. It's hard to tell. Like a lobster waiting to be plunged into a saucepan of nice warm salty water, it probably has no idea if the hotel will turn a profit this year. Either way, life has a habit of righting itself and nothing lasts very long.
I don't blame our women folk neither will I just give up.

I'm not ascribing any of the above to intentional actions -- on anybody's account. Most of this is down to social evolution -- and degradation -- over time; it's too big to be steered by one individual. The way it's all worked out, though, has been "unfortunate".

[Modoc]

In my way of thinking, women expanding their wardrobes to include everything that men have thought to be their own is not a bad thing. It just might help some men to realize that clothes are actually genderless and help them embrace trying things that they thought were off limits, before. Do I expect that a lot of men who believe that a business suit is their last stronghold will suddenly want to wear skirts and dresses because women are wearing business suits? No, but it is just quite possible that some men and women from that conservative traditional wardrobe crowd just might agree that clothes are not the deciding factor with regard to gender identity. A small point for sure, but it's something that could help some men who are ready to break away from the crowd to be able to do so.

[Barleymower]

In my way of thinking, women expanding their wardrobes to include everything that men have thought to be their own is not a bad thing. It just might help some men to realize that clothes are actually genderless and help them embrace trying things that they thought were off limits, before. Do I expect that a lot of men who believe that a business suit is their last stronghold will suddenly want to wear skirts and dresses because women are wearing business suits? No, but it is just quite possible that some men and women from that conservative traditional wardrobe crowd just might agree that clothes are not the deciding factor with regard to gender identity. A small point for sure, but it's something that could help some men who are ready to break away from the crowd to be able to do so.

It does not matter Modoc. Women now wear anything they want to wear. If they choose to wear a pinstripe suit, it is just a conversation point. If challenged, other women will say "she can wear anything she wants to wear".
Men can wear whatever they want to wear but looks will come and go and hardly anything said. It's more of a whisper. Its hard to know what people are thinking but if you are stylish, they are liable to think that.

[familyman34]

I wonder what her husband thinks about his wife wearing "men's" clothes?

However, it is clear that (unless the picture has been reversed, which does not appear to be so since the men in the background all have their lapel badges on their left side) that all three parts of her suit button to the right, not the left. Does this mean that she used a “man’s” tailor to create it?

[Mouse]

However, it is clear that (unless the picture has been reversed, which does not appear to be so since the men in the background all have their lapel badges on their left side) that all three parts of her suit button to the right, not the left. Does this mean that she used a “man’s” tailor to create it?

Great observation familyman34. I did a quick picture search and as you say the picture has not been reversed. I then found more comment on the suit she was wearing.

Melania Trump continued her menswear-inspired style streak on Monday while attending a meeting at the U.S. Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., to advocate for the Take It Down Act. The first lady wore a three-piece suit from Ralph Lauren.

Trump wore a structured blazer with lapels and a single visible button, a matching vest underneath, matching straight-leg trousers, a dark tie with a white shirt and finished the look with nude heels.

This came from this page about the event. https://wwd.com/pop-culture/celebrity-n ... 237018891/

[Sepchugang]

However, it is clear that (unless the picture has been reversed, which does not appear to be so since the men in the background all have their lapel badges on their left side) that all three parts of her suit button to the right, not the left. Does this mean that she used a “man’s” tailor to create it?

It is a great observation familyman34 and, as Mouse confirms, it is not a revesed picture. I wonder how much credence can be put on the way the buttons do up these days though. I have several skirts from Crew Clothing that button at the front and some have the button on the right and others on the left and yet all of them were sold under the heading of 'women's clothing'.