A woman taking over the suit....

[crfriend]

And yet it hasn't happened ?

The reason it's not happened yet is that there hasn't be a clear practical reason for it to when addressed by the vast herd of compliant, boring, average, "normal" guys out there - and that will continue to be the case for as long as the status quo remains intact.

My own view is women brought about the change by saying it is more practical. Fashion followed practicality.

That's always been the stated "reason" for the Female Renunciation, but it doesn't really hold water as we have proven here by demonstrating that skirts can be just as practical for anything that doesn't involve heavy, filthy work in harsh environments.

Women, on the other hand, have been being led around by their noses by their "leaders" that are trying to turn them into ersatz men -- all in the name of "equality" (which is laughable once one really gets a look under the bonnet and realises what's going on).

For men we want the skirted option for fashion purpose only. Or that's how it's seen. Or becuase we want to be women or because we are gay. That might be true for some but definetly not all.
We do dare but the rest of the men are not following.

Not enough of us dare, and not enough are bright enough to pay attention.

There is precisely nothing to link skirt-wearing with homosexuality. It just doesn't pan out once one looks at the situation. Homosexuality usually revolves around hyper-masculinity or machismo; it does not like feminity in any form and thus either shies away or viciously parodies it. So, that argument needs to be dropped.

Also, the idea that any man who dons a skirt automatically "wants to be a woman" -- that's simply not the case. There are likely as many reasons for a man to want to wear a skirt as there are men. Again, the idea is a non-starter.

I think it's more a factor of male indifference after having had access to nothing but bland junk for decades and a lot of inertia that keeps the thing on the "straight and narrow".

Is there hope somewhere? I'd like to think so, but I'm pretty sure at this point in my life I'll never see it.

[Barleymower]

And yet it hasn't happened ?

The reason it's not happened yet is that there hasn't be a clear practical reason for it to when addressed by the vast herd of compliant, boring, average, "normal" guys out there - and that will continue to be the case for as long as the status quo remains intact.

My own view is women brought about the change by saying it is more practical. Fashion followed practicality.

That's always been the stated "reason" for the Female Renunciation, but it doesn't really hold water as we have proven here by demonstrating that skirts can be just as practical for anything that doesn't involve heavy, filthy work in harsh environments.

Women, on the other hand, have been being led around by their noses by their "leaders" that are trying to turn them into ersatz men -- all in the name of "equality" (which is laughable once one really gets a look under the bonnet and realises what's going on).

For men we want the skirted option for fashion purpose only. Or that's how it's seen. Or becuase we want to be women or because we are gay. That might be true for some but definetly not all.
We do dare but the rest of the men are not following.

Not enough of us dare, and not enough are bright enough to pay attention.

There is precisely nothing to link skirt-wearing with homosexuality. It just doesn't pan out once one looks at the situation. Homosexuality usually revolves around hyper-masculinity or machismo; it does not like feminity in any form and thus either shies away or viciously parodies it. So, that argument needs to be dropped.

Also, the idea that any man who dons a skirt automatically "wants to be a woman" -- that's simply not the case. There are likely as many reasons for a man to want to wear a skirt as there are men. Again, the idea is a non-starter.

I think it's more a factor of male indifference after having had access to nothing but bland junk for decades and a lot of inertia that keeps the thing on the "straight and narrow".

Is there hope somewhere? I'd like to think so, but I'm pretty sure at this point in my life I'll never see it.

Honestly Carl I think that men are terrified of being seen anything other than the Marlboro man. So much so that men are in crisis, crisis because the facade is so flimsy that a stiff breeze would expose them being frail and emotional. The irony is that the frail and emotional ones (women) are much tougher than they would have us believe.

I also think that feminism paved the way for more taxation.

If we are to succeed we need to find and equally compelling case for change.

[Seb]

It would be so fun to see what the middle aged white man would do if women en mass really took to the suit and went out of their ways to wear them all the time to make a statement.

Well, the men could experiment with nudity.

And women would wear that much better than us when they decided to take it from us as well.

[Grok]

It does look better on women than it does on men. I still don't think it looks good though, guess I just don't like suits.

The borrowed style looks marginally better than the old "pant suits." I think women look better in skirt suits than any trouser version.

[Grok]

A suit based on waistcoat + trousers is one possibility. I recalled something mentioned on another thread, something one might experiment with if one is willing to Freestyle. Consider the comments by Caultron.

[Grok]

The point of wearing a blouse as the upper garment of a suit is that their is a diversity of necklines. Consider the scoop neckline.

[Grok]

I think I should clarify. I am thinking of a blouse worn over a man's dress shirt. The point? Giving a suit a new look.

As for blouse sleeves, these might reach mid forearm, exposing the dress-shirt sleeves. Turn that into an intended fashion statement, by wearing bracelets on top of the dress-shirt sleeves.

[crfriend]

Honestly Carl I think that men are terrified of being seen anything other than the Marlboro man.

Or they're rorried about how they'll be perceived by others and what that will do to their "status" in society.

So much so that men are in crisis, crisis because the facade is so flimsy that a stiff breeze would expose them being frail and emotional.

That might not be such a bad thing.

The irony is that the frail and emotional ones (women) are much tougher than they would have us believe.

You'll get no argument from me on that count.

I also think that feminism paved the way for more taxation.

And a round of hyper-inflation to more than double the cost-of-living such now that it takes one income per adult to support a family -- and that does not include children. That has been a social disaster,

[Faldaguy]

Let's face facts modern politics is steeped in spin, hype and plain old lies, hypocrisy is just normal.

Steve

my emphasis:
hypocrisy is just normal --- lovely absurdity, thanks for the smile!

[Ozdelights]

My own view is women brought about the change by saying it is more practical. Fashion followed practicality.
For men we want the skirted option for fashion purpose only. Or that's how it's seen. Or becuase we want to be women or because we are gay. That might be true for some but definetly not all.
We do dare but the rest of the men are not following.

Personally, I wanted to wear skirts and I find them more practical especially living in a hot arid area. The only concern is modesty, but I always wear underware so.....

Barry

[Sepchugang]

hypocrisy is just normal

I wonder what her husband thinks about his wife wearing "men's" clothes?

[STEVIE]

I wonder what her husband thinks about his wife wearing "men's" clothes?

She isn't wearing "men's" clothes, she is simply wearing a tan 3 piece trouser suit.
If we are to talk about de-gendering what we wear, it has to go both ways.
As for what "he" thinks, his capacity for rational thought is not a strong point.
If anything, men should use these images as an inspiration, not bemoan how unfair it is that women have usurped them once more.
There are a countless numbers of illustrations like this, each showing a female looking better than most men in suits.
It's just another example of how women, by their own initiative gained the upper hand in fashion freedom.
Men have been complacent, self satisfied for too long so there is no use in complaining now.
Disregard such as this, men have to make their own fashion freedoms, the alternative is DRAB.
Steve.

[Barleymower]

"If anything, men should use these images as an inspiration, not bemoan how unfair it is that women have usurped them once more."

They are playing with a loaded dice.

[Sepchugang]

Stevie, It looks like my attempt at irony has fallen a bit flat!
Of course she is not wearing "men's clothing" - I actually think she looks very nice in her trouser suit - but it is people like her husband who promulgate the belief that men like us who wear skirts out of choice are wearing "women's clothing" - hence the hypocrisy.
I've got about 20 skirts - they are all mine, they hang in my wardrobe and have never belonged to a woman.

[Mouse]

If anything, men should use these images as an inspiration, not bemoan how unfair it is that women have usurped them once more.

The three ladies referenced in this thread, Taylor C, Nusrat Ghani and Melania Trump, all look great in their suits, which have been inspired by the traditional male suit.

What I take from this thread, is that we are doing exactly the same thing, but in reverse. I think I look good in many of my pictures of me in female clothing inspired outfits.

All these are in public and taken in 2025. Locations range from London, Cambridge, Birmingham and Aberdeen.

I think in my own small way I am taking the skirt as much as Miss Alexandra Jones is taking the suit.

I am not alone and many members on this site are doing the same thing and looking great.

I love the mixing of ideas from male to female and back again. What I have learnt from this site is that I do not have to change my body to wear the clothes I want to wear. I just have to have the courage to make or buy them and walk out the front door wearing them. Just as Miss Alexandra Jones, is making traditional male suits to fit her body, we can do the same with traditionally female clothes to fit ours.