Techniques you've used to get more men into wearing skirts

[jamie001]

<snip> A nice fashionable women’s purse with a lot of pockets solves that problem and allows you to be very organized. Once you find a nice fashionable women’s purse with compartments, you will never want to go back to stuffing stuff into pockets.<snip>

For commentary such as the above, going forward, can we please elide the term "womens"? It's high time we (of all people) stop attributing sexuality to inanimate objects such as bags, purses, and attire. By propagating the sexualised notion we are shooting ourselves in the proverbial foot.

Well said, Carl

Don't we have enough labels anyway?

WE members of Skirt Cafe' need to stop labeling material items as 'Men's / Women's", helping
to stop the propaganda differentiating clothing items. It's just a piece of material, anyway.

Uncle Al

I completely agree.

[crfriend]

Almost all articles of clothing and accessories marketed to males consist of drab colors, rugged looks, and no ornamentation.

This is a side-effect of modern "civilisation" -- and is by no means universal.

I have never been afraid of colour and am well known for wearing very vivid hues from time to time. For instance, the day before yesterday, I was fitted with a temporary cardiac-monitor. The advice was, "Wear a loose-fitting shirt or blouse" so as to make the process quicker and easier. I wore a purple dress shirt and a navy-blue skirt and got all sorts of attention and compliments on the rig in the hospital setting I was in. This evening I wore a brilliant pink shirt, purple velvet double-breasted waistcoat, and the same navy skirt -- all to good acclaim. So, people do notice, and the bolder (or more familiar) are happy to comment and compliment on something well executed.

So, don't feel the need to dress in drab if you don't want to or need to, e.g. for survival or other necessity. The latter case is potentially becoming operative in the USA now with the large uptick in Gestapo ("ICE") activity, but I don't know for a fact that they're going after the flamboyantly-dressed (under the mistake that they're trans-* which is getting to be a targeted group).

The main thrust is -- to the extent possible at the moment -- normalise what amount to rather "flashy" outfits on men. The more "flashy" outfits that get seen in public will eventually normalise them and put the curse of "male drab" behind us. Perhaps (likely) not in our lifetimes, but someday.

[Uncle Al]

<snip> . . case is potentially becoming operative in the USA now with the large uptick in Gestapo ("ICE") activity, <snip>

This type of wording helps the extreme left propagate mis-information, promoting civil unrest
Gestapo and ICE are two DIFFERENT groups of people.
Gestapo was primarily used to go after political/religious opponents. (example: the assassination of Charlie Kirk)
ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is focused on Illegal aliens in the U.S.A.
Many of the illegal aliens that were allowed through the border are, civil and desperately want away
from the corrupted governments of their 'home' country. A minority of illegals are, in reality, terrorists,
trying to take down the U.S.A from with-in

Now - My question is: How does this type of discussion enhance our ability to get more men wearing skirts

Uncle Al

[Grok]

Almost all articles of clothing and accessories marketed to males consist of drab colors, rugged looks, and no ornamentation.

Jamie

Society never established a convention (for MIS) that skirts should be of drab color. So feel free to initiate a different pattern for skirts-bright color

[Mouse]

So this is me in the middle of London, New Bond Street, just off Oxford Street. I am wearing a Roman denim Skirt and am in standard man colours of Navy and Black. This is my standard working look.

I have found some of this thread two sided, with some saying we should portray a manly skirt to the world to attract more guys to skirting, while others are championing our freedom to wear what we like in bright colours.
I feel like a chameleon, sometimes I blend in and sometimes I don't, but I am always in a skirt. This coming weekend, the colour is Orange....

I think there is room in the cafe for both sides. On somedays a black kilt or denim skirt is just right, on others, I feel we should be able to wear the brightest colourful skirt we have? Or is that letting the side down?

[Susie]

totally agree Grok, pockets are for hands, and also carrying a bag tends to get others asking you to carry x for them.

Frequent conversations with MOH

- why do you need to crry such a big bag??

followed by

have you got ...

can I put this in your bag?

[Uncle Al]

Many years ago, while I was grocery shopping, a man - wearing bib overalls, riding a power cart- asked
why I was wearing a skirt. I said comfort and freedom. He gave me a questioning look and I asked him if
he liked riding a barb-wire fence He looked puzzled and I said 'do you like having an inseam riding up,
rubbing your crotch He paused, looked away and I saw "the light bulb" go off in his head. He stared to
smile and said I see what you mean. Never saw him again but I think he was going to give it a try

Uncle Al

[Jim]

<snip> . . case is potentially becoming operative in the USA now with the large uptick in Gestapo ("ICE") activity, <snip>

This type of wording helps the extreme left propagate mis-information, promoting civil unrest
Gestapo and ICE are two DIFFERENT groups of people.
Gestapo was primarily used to go after political/religious opponents.

...


Now - My question is: How does this type of discussion enhance our ability to get more men wearing skirts

ICE has arrested and detained US citizens without charges. This is a terroristic act for those who don't look of European ancestry. We, as MIS, sometimes get misidentified as trans-, people who are also being demonized like immigrants are. Exposing the oppression of others may help us not experience oppression in the future, helping men not fear wearing skirts.

[crfriend]

Gestapo and ICE are two DIFFERENT groups of people.
Gestapo was primarily used to go after political/religious opponents. (example: the assassination of Charlie Kirk)

As best as we can tell, Kirk's murder was the deed of a lone actor -- and not state supported nor sanctioned.

"ICE" have demonstrably kidnapped and detained US citizens without charge and in gross defiance of due process. "ICE" is operating with state support and sanction, hence the comparison to the Gestapo. It's also well onto a slippery slope where it's merely picking up opponents of the current regime -- which is incredibly dangerous.

My message was not to encourage, nor deter, men from wearing skirts but to merely warn those who appear "different" that they may be in jeopardy of being disappeared in certain jurisdictions.

Beware the very blurry line between "our freedom fighters" and "terrorists". In many cases the tactics are identical -- only the victims are different. It's also a case of "Be careful of what you wish for".

[Damon]

Mouse commented.

I think there is room in the cafe for both sides. On somedays a black kilt or denim skirt is just right, on others, I feel we should be able to wear the brightest colourful skirt we have? Or is that letting the side down?

Way to go Mouse!! We only live once (supposedly) and living in ways that make us happy is healthiest. But I think Mouse's every day work clothes probably make more men think it may be okay for a man to wear a skirt. While the more ostentatious outfits may make a few men envious, and with his fantastic sense of style perhaps a few women too, I don't think they will encourage many men to follow his example. Not that they don't want to but they know their own limitations and those of family and friends.
Personally I find it extremely difficult to venture outside the kilt box. Though I have got fairly confident about my Skirt Craft skirt and have worn a dress a couple of times, but a very plain drab colored one and with a zipped up jacket on top so it looks like a skirt or even a kilt. Though even that takes more courage than I can muster most days. And I am no newbie to unbifurcated garments. I got my first kilt when I was 6. As a boy I celebrated being home on holiday from boarding school by wearing one most days. As an adult about once a week. In retirement about half the time. I reckon that in my 84 years it amounts to about 10 years of kilted days. And I still occasionally have problems of confidence.

[Grok]

Way to go Mouse!! We only live once (supposedly) and living in ways that make us happy is healthiest. But I think Mouse's every day work clothes probably make more men think it may be okay for a man to wear a skirt. While the more ostentatious outfits may make a few men envious, and with his fantastic sense of style perhaps a few women too, I don't think they will encourage many men to follow his example. Not that they don't want to but they know their own limitations and those of family and friends.

Regarding the more ostentatious outfits, I don't think most men could try with good results. That is, with a rig that looks good.

There are certain members, such as Mouse, Jeff, SkirtsDad...who have a special eye for clothing. They can freestyle boldly, and do it well. I know I couldn't.

Plainer outfits, such as Mouse' work clothes, should be in reach of most men.

[Uncle Al]

Seems like most members have forgotten this;

"Lead by example"

I do this on a daily basis. Do you

Uncle Al

[Grok]

Personally I find it extremely difficult to venture outside the kilt box. Though I have got fairly confident about my Skirt Craft skirt and have worn a dress a couple of times, but a very plain drab colored one and with a zipped up jacket on top so it looks like a skirt or even a kilt. Though even that takes more courage than I can muster most days.

Skirt-like garments for men...seems a steep hill to climb. But at least we can point at kilts as an example that is accepted as mens wear.

For dress like garments, however, there seems to be nothing we can point at...at least for anything from Western Civilization. So this seems to be a separate, even steeper hill.

[crfriend]

"Lead by example"

I do this pretty much by instinct as that's the way I was raised. Unfortunately, it's a good way to get knifed in the back by insecure little-boy "managers" in the workplace.

There's quite the rush in climbing out of the trench, sword raised high, and to bellow, "Follow me!". Sure, sometimes you get shot; but sometimes you win the day, It's a question of picking one's battles wisely.

[Dust]

Damon, you are entitled to your opinion, but the kilt is a dead end for men's fashion freedom whether you like it or not.
Steve

I have been of the opinion that kilting is a special case. I doubt that the acceptance of such will carry over to non-kilt designs.

I suspect that, for almost any other type of skirted rig, we are starting virtually from scratch. I don't see any shortcuts here; the only thing I can suggest is that we wear our garments out in public.

All I can hope for is a very gradual acceptance.

Kilts are great starter skirts!

For some they are definitely a dead end, especially the heritage driven, hyper formal/traditional getups that are or of place in the day to day.

For many, utility/informal kilts are the perfect blend of acceptability and comfort. The problems they have are price and that link to the above mentioned "traditional Scottish" variant that makes them acceptable.

The next obvious step is casual skirts from the other side of the aisle in male drab and other plan styles. From there it's just the wearer's style and comfort with standing out.

Even if men mostly stay with utility kilts, I'm okay with that. It's a massive improvement! And once you are away from the "traditional kilt" with all the rules associated, modifications in all aspects are possible, and "kilt" can just mean any masculine skirt.