Musings about our changing times and how I anticipate it may effect me (us)

[Mouse]

I would like to point out that this site is a cafe where whatever your politics, we should be able to discuss men wearing skirts and help each other to do more skirt wearing and get the message out to other men that skirts are an option.

I hate how various members are being put into boxes by their politics. I would much prefer not to put members into boxes, but if you have to, then may I suggest you use skirt length preference?

I log onto this site hoping to find more skirting ideas, or experiences that members have had while wearing skirts.

I do not want to loose any members because of politics. We are a small group already and active members leaving is the last thing we need.

I am not asking to stop discussion, but I want us all to agree that the skirts are the important thing here to discuss and log in for.

[Uncle Al]

Mod Hat - ON

No, Al. We will not yet revert to the topic of skirts. Just because the conversation does not fit your world view (narrow, US-centric) doesn’t mean you can wade in and stop it.

Ray, in this case you are wrong

Many members have, it seems, forgotten what Skirt Cafe' stands for and how our conduct affects others.
That is why we have Rules of Conduct which are not being followed by Cafe' members.

2. No politics, unless related to skirts/kilts. No religion, unless related to skirts/kilts. These topics were banned because they lead to endless flame wars.

I'm supporting ALL MEN who want to wear skirts/dresses, AS MEN
That's what this forum is about

IF this thread doesn't get back on track, it will be locked.
Not deleted but kept as a reminder of what conduct is not acceptable.

Mod Hat - OFF

Uncle Al - Admin Staff

[Elisabetta]

Alright gentlemen no need for the thread to be locked. We all have different opinions when certain things arise and while I totally understand regarding the rules of SK we also must not use that when someone's opinions becomes different but to try to understand one another and why each member feels the way they do.


Not everyone is going to agree with each other in life that's a common thing but I believe that there can be some common ground when voicing how we feel even if it's about the current state of events and yes that means the current administration. Not everyone is going to agree with you UA nor is everyone going to agree with you Ray so sometimes it's just best to take the high road than the Mod hat on and off and locked threads.

Ray I absolutely understand where you're coming from and agree that the current President has added some gasoline to the fire in the certain things he's doing however there just comes a better way of discussing it. Uncle Al I understand that you're all for Trump and feel he does absolutely no wrong so in my opinion I don't think you'll ever see anything outside of that so when someone voices how they feel and you don't like it you want to close threads. I don't agree with that take on things and it's just my honest opinion. I truly wish that people learned the concept of agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Mouse I enjoyed reading in another thread about the game you attended with your son what a wonderful read that was.

[Grok]

I would imagine that there is another on line forum where these matters can be discussed.

Besides members, there must be some smart, knowledgeable people who have noticed the state of the world.

[Grok]

Should clarify one thing about my last post. What I was referring to was that the world is starting to resemble the years leading up to World War II. International politics has been turning dangerous.

[Elisabetta]

Should clarify one thing about my last post. What I was referring to was that the world is starting to resemble the years leading up to World War II. International politics has been turning dangerous.

I know Grok my point was that we're all on different opinions and while we must follow the rules of SK we must also remember everyone has different views on things and that's why I said that we must learn to take the high road.

[Ray]

Al,

I made it quite clear that I was referring to the acts of individuals and not parties. I did this to de-emphasise politics. I highlighted the noble aims of the GOP of the past. You seem to have ignored this.

I’ve been on this forum much longer than you. I know where the line is drawn - or where it used to be.

However, you don’t like what you’re hearing so you threaten to lock the thread.

Fine. I’ll abstain from further comment on this subject. I’ve had my say anyway. However, the next time you wade into politics, I’ll call you out.

[Uncle Al]

Al,

I made it quite clear that I was referring to the acts of individuals and not parties. I did this to de-emphasise politics. I highlighted the noble aims of the GOP of the past. You seem to have ignored this.

Here is where I'll disagree. I have yet to see you "De-emphasis" politics.

I’ve been on this forum much longer than you. I know where the line is drawn - or where it used to be.

I've been on Skirt Cafe' for 2 days longer than you. However, I was a member at Tom's Cafe since late 1998,
the predecessor of Skirt Cafe'.

However, you don’t like what you’re hearing so you threaten to lock the thread.

What I'm doing is respecting the foundation of Skirt Cafe', which many people have drifted away from.

Fine. I’ll abstain from further comment on this subject. I’ve had my say anyway. However, the next time you wade into politics, I’ll call you out.

You, and a few others, have called me out because I shared my political beliefs.
I was told my comments and concerns were not welcome at Skirt Cafe'.
I'm tired of being in "The Silent Majority" of American citizens. I have bitten my tongue,
more times that you'ld care to count, at the atrocious comments made against America,
and its many presidents. When I was born, Dwight David Eisenhower was President of
the United States. I've witnessed many great, and not so great, political leaders.

Politics does not belong on Skirt Cafe' unless is a discussion concerning Skirts for Men
as normal daily clothing choices. All other political discussion is off the table.

I don't like to pull the "Mod Hat" out but I will, when necessary.
This is one of those cases where it became necessary.
The 'rabbit hole' was getting bigger by the day.

Uncle Al

[Ray]

Al.

I mistakenly exaggerated when I said I’d been a member of the forum for much longer than you. I joined in 1997. My apologies.

Ray

[MrSoapsud]

Politics does not belong on Skirt Cafe' unless is a discussion concerning Skirts for Men
as normal daily clothing choices. All other political discussion is off the table.

I don't like to pull the "Mod Hat" out but I will, when necessary.
This is one of those cases where it became necessary.

I would suggest that if you want to retain the option of pulling the "Mod Hat" out, you shouldn't fan the flames. If you want to take part in the debate, leave the Mod decisions to your colleagues. This thread is in "Off Topic".

[Modoc]

Politics does not belong on Skirt Cafe' unless is a discussion concerning Skirts for Men
as normal daily clothing choices. All other political discussion is off the table.

I don't like to pull the "Mod Hat" out but I will, when necessary.
This is one of those cases where it became necessary.

I would suggest that if you want to retain the option of pulling the "Mod Hat" out, you shouldn't fan the flames. If you want to take part in the debate, leave the Mod decisions to your colleagues. This thread is in "Off Topic".

This ^^^

[rode_kater]

I can't stop this. It's up to you.

Now that I don't believe either. Ok, your political system is setup so you're basically stuck for 4 years, or at least 2. I consider this a major flaw of presidential systems, but it is what it is. You always have the most influence in your local community, so that's where you need to look for things you can do. You can't do anything about the President or those around him, but you can help the people around you.

As for me, I'm also going to focus on the people around me. I can't affect your government, and mine is too small to matter anyway. It will be up to the UK, France, Germany & Italy, with the EU representing the remainder. We are but leaves caught up in a storm.

Someone mentioned immigration, and I don't want to give the impression that I don't care about illegal immigration, I just don't think it's our biggest issue, not even close. It's not illegal immigrants taking our houses, we're just not building enough houses. It's not illegal immigrant taking our jobs, we're just not creating the kinds of jobs that people need. The reason why (right-wing) governments aren't really clamping down on (illegal) immigration is because it would reveal that they weren't the problem in the first place.

It's all a distraction. It's the oligarchs riling up the masses against each other while making themselves richer.

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We go on because there are no alternatives. Wear skirts because we can, for as long as we can. And if the bombs start falling, it's been nice knowing you guys.