Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?

[Uncle Al]

Buy a map and read it. I’m from the United Kingdom, not England.
If you can’t tell the two apart, the map will guide you.
I’ve no idea where you get your news but it’s abject nonsense.

Ray, Have you moved or relocated

From your signature line:

Location: West Midlands, England, UK

Google Maps:
London, the capital of England and the United Kingdom, is a
21st-century city with history stretching back to Roman times.

Per Google Maps, West Midlands is an area north-west of the city of London.
It is in the center of England, which is the lower part of the United Kingdom.

When it comes to "News", I have several sources, of which the 'Daily Wail'
is not one of them. ( IMHO, the Daily Wail is equivalent to The National Enquirer
in the United States. A headline grabbing, sensationalist rag, printing gossip and
rumors as if they were facts. )

I prefer un-biased sources, not the 'National Media'.
30 years ago, I visited London. Nice place then. Now, I'm not so sure.

For now, the ONLY reason I would go to "The U.K." is to see Blackpool,
and the magnificent Wurlitzer Theatre Organ in the Tower Ballroom.
This instrument was made famous by Reginald Dixon, MBE. His music, and
style of playing, are one of the reasons I fell in love with the Theatre Organ.

Uncle Al

[Midas]

If you look at the figures, you will see that the US murder rate is around four times higher (murders per million people) than the UK. I think false news has always been an issue with some US publications, but would not say all UK ones are necessarily any better.

The big difference is that guns are not freely available, so a shooting that might go relatively unnoticed in parts of the US is likely to be national news here.

As for Blackpool (which is only about 50 miles from me) I should stay away. While there are many beautiful seaside towns, this is not one of them.

[TonautBrom]

As for leaving and never returning, where do you think I should relocate to??? Some place where no one is ever attacked and robbed or murdered, where is this place?????? It certainly is not England. Since you are constantly being robbed and assaulted on the Tube and in the streets according to the news we get here in the states. Mostly by immigrants at that, they don't care about the law.

Fred

Get your news from somewhere else. They’re lying to you.

[Ray]

Al, I said I’m from the United Kingdom, not England. That is factually correct. I am from Scotland - but I currently reside in England. Therefore I am from the U.K. but not England. It’s quite simple.

If you’re going to compare culture, religion, politics, anything that involves international country A va International country B, please just don’t use “England” even if your example is set there. Imagine if everyone used California as a proxy for the USA?

The U.K. is a sovereign state. The region/nation of England is not.

I don’t compare USA v Bavaria. I’ll use the word Germany.

I don’t compare Provence with Spain. I’ll use the word France.

So please stop comparing a region with a country. Is it so hard to understand?

[Fred in Skirts]

As for leaving and never returning, where do you think I should relocate to??? Some place where no one is ever attacked and robbed or murdered, where is this place?????? It certainly is not England. Since you are constantly being robbed and assaulted on the Tube and in the streets according to the news we get here in the states. Mostly by immigrants at that, they don't care about the law.
Fred

Get your news from somewhere else. They’re lying to you.

Most of the news I hear from the whatever you call England it comes from the BBC broadcasts. So they lie just as much as the American Press just goes to show you that the third estate are lairs every where.

[Mouse]

Most of the news I hear from the whatever you call England it comes from the BBC broadcasts. So they lie just as much as the American Press just goes to show you that the third estate are lairs every where.

The BBC is not a bad place to start for general UK news, but like all news they rely on reporters getting stories and some are good and some are not. All news providers tell you about the 0.01% things that have been bad and miss out the 99.99% that has been fine. You hear about the plane crash, but not about the many successful flights happening all of the time.

[Fred in Skirts]

If you look at the figures, you will see that the US murder rate is around four times higher (murders per million people) than the UK. I think false news has always been an issue with some US publications, but would not say all UK ones are necessarily any better.

The big difference is that guns are not freely available, so a shooting that might go relatively unnoticed in parts of the US is likely to be national news here.

As for Blackpool (which is only about 50 miles from me) I should stay away. While there are many beautiful seaside towns, this is not one of them.

If the fact that guns are "everywhere" in the US were the problem then the entire country would be dead. We have the biggest army in the world, and they are not part of the government. But if and when they are needed you can bet your sweet bog seat that they will be there locked and loaded ready to protect the country. The last I heard the UK does not have any such to count on in a time of emergency. What will they do grab sticks and stones? During WW2 Japan decided they could not attack the West Coast of the continental US because they were afraid that we the people would kill them all because we all had guns. They also found out attacking Hawaii was a bad idea because they woke a sleeping giant. Who kicked their collective arses.

[Uncle Al]

To those who think America is deviant because of gun ownership, I harken
you back to 1776 when Colonists were being persecuted by The British(England).

Guns were not only used for self protection but to put food on the table.
( There were no grocery stores back then. )

In today's world, the oppressors of freedom state that "Guns are dangerous".
Guns are a tool, an inanimate object. A gun only works when a human operates it.

I wonder what the Native Americans thought when "The New Government" was
convincing them, that they did not need guns.

Therefore, I don't normally wear graphic T-shirts but, I'm a firm believer in this:



You are your own first responder - be, and stay, prepared

Uncle Al

[Uncle Al]

Al, I said I’m from the United Kingdom, not England. That is factually correct. I am from Scotland - but I currently reside in England. Therefore I am from the U.K. but not England. It’s quite simple.

Ray - How are "we", the readers of this forum, to know that you're from Scotland
This is the first time, to my recollection, that you've said you're from Scotland.

The simple fact is - your location, and where you reside, is where you're from.
Originally, I'm from the state of Indiana(where I was born) but have lived in Texas since 1975.
Therefore, I'm from Texas. ( And proud of it )

IF you want to go way-far-back, my ancestors came from south-east of Edinburgh,
Scotland, via banishment by the British / English to Ireland, in 1737.

I'm proud to say I have Scots-Irish ancestors but that does not define who I am.

In the long run, every person has mixed heritage, of some kind or other.

Uncle Al

[denimini]

Upskirting is a topic that should to be discussed.
Now 12 consecutive off thread posts. Please start another topic if you want to persist on unrelated matters, thanks.

[Ray]

Fair point. I’m done making a point that’s not being acknowledged.

Upskirting is wrong full stop. I used to wear kilt on nights out in Nottingham about 25 years ago - in the days when women wore skirts rather more. Several would try to lift my kilt up. My response was to quickly lift their skirt up to make a point - suggesting that if they were going to do that, how did they like it.

They got the point.

I think women are better behaved now. The fact that I am 25 years older may have something to do with it…

[STEVIE]

Upskirting is wrong full stop. I used to wear kilt on nights out in Nottingham about 25 years ago - in the days when women wore skirts rather more. Several would try to lift my kilt up. My response was to quickly lift their skirt up to make a point - suggesting that if they were going to do that, how did they like it.

Nice one Ray, however, I have worn the kilt at family weddings only and even had it lifted on these occasions.
Most memorably, the groom's grandmother, she'd have been in her late 80s at the time.
Had I taken your remedy, she might have colluded, no thank you!
Since it is unlikely that I will ever attend such a function in the future, I don't know, but I'd guess it still goes on.
At my son's wedding, his father in law, deliberately displayed his "father of the bride pants".
Me, the official photographer was the party pooper for refusing the shot.
Fact remains, upskirt voyeurism is fundamentally wrong full stop.
For what it's worth I'm a proud Scot who describes himself as British.
Steve.

[Ray]

Stevie

A chastening experience!

I’m glad to report that I have not had any kilt lifting experiences for at least 15 years. A sign of the times? It’s a welcome development.

Ray

[denimini]

Of course gender should not matter, it is a rude invasion of privacy.
A strange behaviour when a person could see far more, and on public display, at the beach.

I don't expect to be upskirted at my age and would probably feel flattered if I was

[just_me]

Of course gender should not matter, it is a rude invasion of privacy.

Thinking the other way, it could be an enlighting experience for the upskirting person to wear a skirt/kilt to get the victim's perspective.