Skirts, Pants, and Deuteronomy 22:5

[Jim]

I agree. Can we please stop the religious chat. For those of us who are not religious, it gets very tedious indeed.

There are a number of us Christians here. These discussions can be helpful. Just don't read threads labeled with scripture references to avoid the tedium.

[STEVIE]

I agree. Can we please stop the religious chat. For those of us who are not religious, it gets very tedious indeed.

There are a number of us Christians here. These discussions can be helpful. Just don't read threads labeled with scripture references to avoid the tedium.

Sorry John, but I think you missed my point.
Sure have your discussions, but either put it to off-topic or have them in private.
I really cannot fathom how helpful or productive these discussions can be, they just seem to go around and around.
I am also sure that you may disagree, but Christianity and the King James bible is not the only valid view of how humans should behave in their lives.
Now, please consider this seriously.
Thanks
Steve

[JohnH]

I agree. Can we please stop the religious chat. For those of us who are not religious, it gets very tedious indeed.

I AM religious as I am an active member of a Bible believing Episcopalian church, and I agree this discussion of Deuteronomy 22:5 gets very tedious. We have beaten a dead horse into the ground.

John

[mr seamstress]

Sure have your discussions, but either put it to off-topic or have them in private.
I really cannot fathom how helpful or productive these discussions can be, they just seem to go around and around.
I am also sure that you may disagree, but Christianity and the King James bible is not the only valid view of how humans should behave in their lives.
Now, please consider this seriously.
Thanks
Steve

This is what we tell those who can't stand looking at us in dresses or skirts: Close your eyes and shut up. My advise to you Steve close your eyes, don't read this thread and shut up.
This thread is about helping those who are effected by Deuteronomy 22:5 and getting churches quit using Deuteronomy 22:5 against all of us including you Steve even though you don't know how to appreciate this. Consider you start wearing your dresses and skirts at home only so no one has to see you, for those who doesn't like seeing men who wearing such clothing. They will appreciate you start staying home so they don't have to look at you.
Steve you are coming off just like those who hate seeing as the way we dress. Get it. Last thing you are not doing is not helping in promoting how we feel are right to wear what we want. Telling each other to shut up isn't going to help ether. This thread going to continue with or without you . Have a good one Steve.

[Susie]

It would appear that the greatest power of Deuteronomy 22:5 is that it is dividing you all and when you are divided you are more easily conquered.
John 11:35 sums up how I feel.

[mr seamstress]

....... this discussion of Deuteronomy 22:5 gets very tedious. We have beaten a dead horse into the ground.

John

AS long churches keep shoving this Deuteronomy 22:5 down are throats we have to shove it back and show they are wrong. Quit now and they see they have won.
Since you John you live here in America as I am, does these mass shooting bother you? In the last three months a mas shouters made headlines here in America. That mass shouter work at Walmart in my community and did mass shouting in neighboring community. About have of the people in my community lives off on Food Stamps. There is 30,000 people lives in this county.
These mass shooting happens because of hate for any number of reasons including hating seeing men in dresses or skirts. There is those who hate others because of Deuteronomy 22:5. I work one on one trying to stop this hate and advocate in getting others to stop this hate. This include giving out T-shirts i made in helping to end all this hate at my cost and I am not rich either. Been kick out of Baptist church because of my attire.

[Barleymower]

Your grammar and spelling probably didn't help.

[Ray]

Can we now, I beg of you, put good old AV Deut. 22:5 away and never to be mentioned again.

Seconded, heartily. That's an old chestnut that desperately needs to be expunged from the lexicon.

A greater power than Steve, me and TonautBrom is suggesting we drop this. I’m not deifying Carl, but he IS a mod and we mere mortals are not

Deut 22.whatever should not be an issue. If your place of worship doesn’t like it then don’t go there. They’re clearly idiots if they cite this garbage. No point arguing with idiots as I have found. This really doesn’t need seven pages of hand-wringing.

[JohnH]

Been kick out of Baptist church because of my attire.

Find a church that accepts your attire. I have. And my church is not into this LBGXXX business which I do not think should be a central theme for a church.

John

[Ray]

LGBXXX is not nonsense if you have been bullied, ostracised, persecuted etc for being different. It’s real, John, and having some respect for those on a different journey does no harm. Tolerance. Yes, that’s the word. Tolerance.

[JohnH]

I am also sure that you may disagree, but Christianity and the King James bible is not the only valid view of how humans should behave in their lives.
Now, please consider this seriously.
Thanks
Steve

And there are ultra right wing Lutherans who say, "If the King James bible was good enough for Martin Luther, it's good enough for us". I happen to use the NASB (New American Standard Bible) version.

John

[JohnH]

LGBXXX is not nonsense if you have been bullied, ostracised, persecuted etc for being different. It’s real, John, and having some respect for those on a different journey does no harm. Tolerance. Yes, that’s the word. Tolerance.

I believe everybody should be treated with respect, regardless of their dress or belief. If people truly believed humans were created in the image of God, they would not bully, ostracise, or persecute fellow human beings. Churches are there to preach the Gospel and to worship the Lord, not to make LBGXXX a central theme.

As far as mass shootings are concerned, there is a shocking lack of mental care in the US. This lack also contributes to the HIGHEST incarceration rate in the US of any nation in the world. There are situations where people showed indications of possible violence and yet nothing was done to keep the violent acts from taking place.

John

[Ray]

John, I agree that a church or place of religion is not meant to be a proactive supporter of, for example, trans rights, but I would hope that the church would welcome LGBTQ+ individuals if they wanted to worship whatever god that church (or place of worship) followed.

Isn’t that being nice to your fellow human being? Isn’t that what gods want you to do?

Tolerance.

[Dust]

It would have been better article if it show how man's interpenetration of Deuteronomy 22:5 is in conflict of rest of the Bible. This would get everyone attention better. Considered that fact man is adding to the Bible in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2. From the pulpit clergy is adding their personal opinion to Deuteronomy 22:5.

This is an interesting point, and one that Christ Himself called out (on other topics), over and over. It continued to be a theme in much of St. Paul's writings.

Much of the conflict with the Pharisees was over them taking the law as it was written, and adding new rules around the law, such that one would not come close to breaking the actual law. Then you had the issues of early Christians trying to hold converts from paganism to the Old Law, most notably circumcision. This is called out as wrong in the Epistles more times than I care to count.

This urge to make more rules for people has clearly not gone away. We see it in many Christian denominations, and we see it in secular politics. I imagine it comes up in other religious traditions as well, as it is likely something in our fallen human nature.

Some rules are necessary, but all too often, we add more instead of simply enforcing the ones we already have, or trusting people not to do obviously problematic things without an explicit rule in place. Christ brought us back down to the basics: love of God and love of neighbor. Everything else stems from that.

[mr seamstress]

John, I agree that a church or place of religion is not meant to be a proactive supporter of, for example, trans rights, but I would hope that the church would welcome LGBTQ+ individuals if they wanted to worship whatever good that church (or place of worship) followed.

Isn’t that being nice to your fellow human being? Isn’t that what gods want you to do?

Tolerance.

There are two churches that allows anyone into sit in there pew in my community. But they still hold against the individual their life style or their appearance. Saying a straight man in one of these churches isn't allow on the pulpit and be in the choir because of his attire, while woman can wear anything and still allow to be in the choir. Just like any other church they will preach over your casket and send you to hell by their hearts. In their hearts they still hold Deuteronomy 22:5 against them. Their blood runs ice cold over your funeral.