Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?

[Barleymower]

The injustices against men.

[STEVIE]

The injustices against men.

BM
As far as I can see it doesn't, in law, the offence is against a person, gender neutral etc.
I'd reckon that it could be equally applied to a guy in a kilt. but there needs to be a complaint, proof and prosecution in the first place.
Fact is that most non-skirted men would of the opinion that by being skirted it is our own fault in the first place.
Women would just lynch the pervert for doing it to a female.
Injustice is really that guys cannot act for each other.
Steve.

[Mouse]

I think I remember the up skirting law being passed and it being pointed out that it did indeed cover Scottish gentlemen in kilts. So I guess that also means us?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/upsk ... into-force

The practice typically involves taking a picture under a person’s clothing without them knowing, with the intention of viewing their genitals or buttocks.

[Barleymower]

The injustices against men.

BM
As far as I can see it doesn't, in law, the offence is against a person, gender neutral etc.
I'd reckon that it could be equally applied to a guy in a kilt. but there needs to be a complaint, proof and prosecution in the first place.
Fact is that most non-skirted men would of the opinion that by being skirted it is our own fault in the first place.
Women would just lynch the pervert for doing it to a female.
Injustice is really that guys cannot act for each other.
Steve.

I agree Stevie. I said what I said because there is no avenue to take the discussion where equaility exists. So you might as well laugh it off.

Men 'cannot' act act for each other or maybe they 'do not' act for each other. Why? Probably in some misguided idea of male self-sufficiency.

There are 141 prisons in the UK 12 of which are women's prisons. Either women are not committing crimes they are being let off. Which is it? It can't be both. Our country is biased against men and it always has been.

I know upskirting is a crime but would the justice system take it seriously if it happened to a man? No it would not.

[DrFishnets]

If anyone has been reading my posts they will know that I have a fear of getting my photo taken when out in public. With the advent of smartphones it’s impossible not to be in someone’s photo or part of someone’s photo when out and about so it’s something I have to accept. However, since wearing skirts and dresses I do get very paranoid and worried about upskirt photography. However, I make it a rule to always wear black cycling shorts under my kilt and if I’m wearing skirts or dresses I always pair them with thick black tights or leggings. I do think this upskirt law should be applied to both men and women.

On a similar topic, I remember years ago going to a university Halloween fancy dress party in a kilt and whilst on the dance floor there were women trying to lift my kilt up. Obviously I took it as a laugh but I’d imagine if I had done the same thing to those women (who were dressed as French maids) to see a bit of stockings tops all hell would be let loose. Whatever happened to double standards.

[rivegauche]

I have already posted here that upskirting is already illegal in Scotland under the Sexual Offences Act 2009. It uses the word "person.

A pub in Inverness where the waiters wore kilts has had to convert to trousers because of the constant kilt lifting by women. I suppose it isn't good business to prosecute your customers.

[DrFishnets]

A pub in Inverness where the waiters wore kilts has had to convert to trousers because of the constant kilt lifting by women.

How depressing having to convert to trousers.

[Fred in Skirts]

I have already posted here that upskirting is already illegal in Scotland under the Sexual Offences Act 2009. It uses the word "person.
A pub in Inverness where the waiters wore kilts has had to convert to trousers because of the constant kilt lifting by women. I suppose it isn't good business to prosecute your customers.

If someone man or woman were to try to lift my skirt, they would be flat on their arses on the ground. They would also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of what ever laws I could find to prosecute with.
It is considered an assault on your person for someone to touch you without your permission and you can defend yourself by whatever means you feel necessary.
This is the law in most states in the USA. It may not be so in your country or state. I do carry concealed weapons in my purse. ( Not necessarily a gun it could be a knife, tear gas, or other types of defensive weapons. )

[Ray]

If you have to carry ANY concealed weapon on your person, there are two possible outcomes.

1. You live in an appalling lawless place. Leave and never return. If not:

2. You are paranoid about assault, and need some reflection to understand and quantify risk.

Ray

[STEVIE]

I suppose it isn't good business to prosecute your customers.

The guys were also carrying heavy trays of hot food, health and safety?
The employer is also bound to protect employees from harassment or assault in the course of the job.
Given the quote, any male to female perpetrator most certainly have been prosecuted, if he'd gotten out alive, that is.
I haven't been in Inverness in a long time, but I believe the venue has ceased to exist.
Steve.

[rivegauche]

I suppose it isn't good business to prosecute your customers.

I haven't been in Inverness in a long time, but I believe the venue has ceased to exist.
Steve.

Venue very much still going though I haven't patronised it for some years. It had and possibly still has excellent live music. As for Fred's comment - Scotland is a civilised country and there is no need for weapons. Worn in compliance with the kilt police, you would actually have a dagger about your person, tucked into your sock - a sgian dubh. I never bother with it myself and I have never heard of anyone in Scotland pulling out this dagger and threatening anyone, let alone using it. I suspect that most are ornamental nowadays anyway as even carrying any sort of weapon in the UK is regarded as a much more serious crime than upskirting - and actually using a weapon would result in a very long prison sentence. Thankfully our country is a lot safer than the land of the free.
https://hootanannyinverness.co.uk/

[timemeddler]

If you have to carry ANY concealed weapon on your person, there are two possible outcomes.

1. You live in an appalling lawless place. Leave and never return. If not:

2. You are paranoid about assault, and need some reflection to understand and quantify risk.

Ray

That's a rather over-simplfied view of the world.

[Skirt18220]

It always amazes me how topics in a post thread wonder.
Getting back to upskirt pics being taken of me in a kilt or skirt. I agree it should not be done but I have never thought about it and frankly don't care. I don't wear anything under my kilts or skirts, all basically knee length, that is my reason for wearing them. the cooling factor.
IDM,YDU

[Fred in Skirts]

If you have to carry ANY concealed weapon on your person, there are two possible outcomes.

1. You live in an appalling lawless place. Leave and never return. If not:

2. You are paranoid about assault, and need some reflection to understand and quantify risk.

Ray

1. No I don't live in an appalling lawless place. But I also know that the police are 10 minutes away when you need them the most. Also even in the most law abiding places there are some who will not be law abiding.
As for leaving and never returning, where do you think I should relocate to??? Some place where no one is ever attacked and robbed or murdered, where is this place?????? It certainly is not England. Since you are constantly being robbed and assaulted on the Tube and in the streets according to the news we get here in the states. Mostly by immigrants at that, they don't care about the law.

2. I am not paranoid about being assaulted and do not need some reflection to understand and quantify the risk. I know the risk. As I said above in statement 1. Not every one is law abiding even in an area that is low on crime. at least in my country and state I can defend myself without having to worry that the country and state will prosecute me for doing so.

Now back to the thread of up-skirting...
I believe that anyone who takes pictures of someones bottom without permission is going to need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless if the victim is male or female.

Fred

[Ray]

Fred

Buy a map and read it. I’m from the United Kingdom, not England.

If you can’t tell the two apart, the map will guide you.

I’ve no idea where you get your news but it’s abject nonsense.

Ray