jamie001 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:37 pm
I have to say that I don't agree with you 99 percent of women don't like 99 percent of skirt wearing men or other men that display feminine characteristics. I would say it is maybe 80 percent.
I admit my own bias may have crept in there... but I'm not sure I'd go as low as 80%, I mean, here locally that would be 2 out of every 10 women would be interested in a man in a [non-kilted] feminine skirt... In Appalachia? I just don't see it. I think the statistic would likely depend on region and local customs. My county is home to about 25,000 souls. Lets assume half of them are female, assuming 20% of women are open to a skirt wearing feminine man, then that comes out to around 2,500 women. That's roughly the population of the county seat....
No sir, I believe you'd be hard pressed to find ten women in this county that are open to that sort of thing. You might hit 20% willingness in the most liberal locations in the western world, but it would have to be a pretty open minded area by and large.
Successful intelligent business women are many times insulted by chivalry or men suggesting that they need a protector.
Yep, I've heard of that too. But I think these characteristics are down deep in a more subconscious level. Virtually all women shout loud and proud "
I don't need no MAAAAAN!", but when it comes right down to it... it is "a real man" they want, and they may not fully understand the evolutionary reasons... but it is what it is.
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crfriend wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:34 pm
And the folks on the LGBTQWTF "spectrum" can be fully as bigoted as anyone else because they're made of the same stuff as everybody else.
True, I've seen that first hand.
And, they're after special rights and protections which don't apply equally to other members of the population, strictly by virtue of preferences, pop-sci, and attitude. I am all for (and always have been) a level playing field where everyone gets equal protections under the law; we do not need another super-minority with special rights that nobody else has. If we're going to abolish men's-only clubs then we should abolish women's-only clubs. Treat everybody equitably. Don't legislate special rights and privileges that are open only to a few, for down that road lies madness, anarchy, and despair (or at least disgust).
I understand what you're getting at here. Yes, regular ordinary cis-gendered white guys generally have to fend for themselves when it comes to matters of discrimination. And yes, I've seen this group effectively be discriminated against for the purpose of filling some sort of quota.
It's a complicated matter, and no solution is going to please everyone because as you stated, "
One cannot legislate acceptance, understanding, nor affection. It Just. Does. Not. Work! Full bloody stop.". The issue is unnecessary discrimination over matters of life necessity. Such things as having a gainful career, finding housing, obtaining financing, etc. It's a tricky needle to thread for sure, and at the end of the day, some people are going to feel left out.
But I do know this for sure, I've never had an issue obtaining housing until I started wearing skirts. A few years back when we were looking for a new place to live, I was open with prospective landlords regarding my choice in clothing. A few never got back to me, one flat out said (albeit politely) "
we don't rent to your kind here". I've beaten a dead horse of my 2016 incident at my former employer so I won't rehash it now. Transgender women in particular must be the most discriminated against group of people there is. In many cases I'd argue they don't even qualify as second class citizens.
It would be nice if "tolerance" didn't have to be legislated, but by and large the human species can be a pretty mean spirited and bigoted lot, and it raises the question,
where are these outcast to turn to survive in the modern world? I get the angst of the membership here, you all mostly don't identify on the LGBTQ+ list... yes I got it, I'm not arguing that, but my overall point is that transgender women don't consider themselves "a man in a dress", any more than we consider ourselves "trans-women". There must be a balance we can strike somewhere. Because at the end of the day, we're ALL social outcast to an extent, and we share many of the same social struggles.
The questions are, what can we learn from each other, and how can we possibly help one another to thrive in this increasingly hostile, bigoted, and nasty world we live in?
No, women didn't have such a high hill to climb getting masculine gender roles normalized for them. They had a massive world war to basically press the need [for workers at the home factories], and as I indicated in other post, the difference between the masculine women [women in pants] movement and ours isn't likely simply the "patriarchy". (see, I didn't blame that...
), I'd almost argue that it actually has more to do with the chemistry and psychology of the brain, natural selection, and evolution in general.
The good news, this can be cured, we just need to keep evolving the brain... yeah, good luck with that.
