FBI investigating Antifa, BLM and The Democrat Party

[Uncle Al]

Get past the first few words about Gun Training and you'll find a very interesting,
factual article of Who instigated the siege on Capital Hill.
The page will open at the 1st video clip. Scroll up to the top to start reading.

Let’s not forget what happened and why Trump has a RIGHT to FIGHT…

This is information for President Trump Haters.
He DID NOT INSTIGATE the riots in D.C.

The first video clip is full of info as well as the rest of the clips.

Uncle Al

[PatJ]

Uncle Al,

Voter fraud is wide spread, but most people can't see it.

It starts with gerrymandering so that one party or the other
gets people elected because district boundaries have been
manipulated to their advantage.

I watched the video, but all I heard were accusations.
Recounts - both machine - and hand counts - have not confirmed
the accusations.

If we want open an fair elections, start with removing political
parties - limit campaign spending - institute term limits - or in
other words - overhaul the whole process.

Meanwhile - it is what it is and there will be another election in
4 years. Become pro-active - and work for who you think will
be the best person for the office.

[crfriend]

Had the soon-to-be-ex-president bothered to study and understand how elections are carried out in the USA He would not have embarked on the course He did. I routinely dismiss "elections" in the USA as a farce, but that has nothing to to with the way the process works, it has to do with the fact that those who are allowed to stand for office are chosen. Trump lost the election fair and square. There is precisely zero evidence that there was sufficient fraud or tampering to change the thing. Let it drop. Please.

As far as the rest of it goes, much of this is the product of conspiracy-theory that most able-minded folks would reject out-of-hand -- more, likely, than believe that the Moon landings were a hoax.

What happened on 2021-01-06 was simply that a mob of right-wingers showed up in DC -- with intent to cause trouble, insufficient protection from same was put in place around the capitol building, and the capitol of the United States of America got sacked by a rabid batch of characters that were more focused on their supposed "leader" rather than the Constitution of The United States of America. They were whipped into a froth by a couple of speakers before He took the podium to finish the job. The outcome was pre-ordained -- a riot -- nay, and armed insurrection and a sacking the likes of which hasn't happened since the British sacked the place in 1814 during the War of 1812.

The sick part of this is that this time around it was folks who proclaim themselves to be American patriots who did the sacking. These are not patriots, they are common criminals and deserve to be treated as such. The true patriot can be entirely true to the country and Constitution and absolutely oppose the current administration, or perhaps the 3rd world term, "regime" would be more accurate.

There is a reason why the Oath of Office is sworn to the Constitution [1]. The military does it similarly. Little Donnie Trump repudiated his Oath when he first started the "Stop the Steal" farce. Let's have some standards here. If I repudiate my official duty to my employer, then he is absolutely within his rights to throw me out of the organisation. Why should the repudiation of an Oath of Office not bring similar results?

[1] I know that there's usually a bible present. Probably it shouldn't be, but rather have the thing sworn on a faithful replica of the original Constitution (as the real original is too fragile to move very far). Unless, of course, the Constitution is meaningless in the modern era, which is a possibility.

[moonshadow]

Ghee... OAN quoted on an extremely right wing gun website.

But it's completely true man... completely true...

I myself am a member of antifa, and I personally attended the insurrection, and I held a gun to those 10 Republicans heads and MADE them vote to impeach Trump.

I was there, and since you read it on the internet... it has to be true.... oh sure, you can ask around and some might say I was armpit deep into a mixer/grinder transmission rebuild in Richlands VA on that day, but I can assure you that's just more of that left wing fake news...!

[moonshadow]

Let it drop. Please.

Seconded...

[moonshadow]

When I listen to this song, and sit back and run through the events of the last several years, I honestly struggle to hold back tears...

https://youtu.be/-vUXea8MXco

I speak from a place where some talk of signs
Tired superstitions to drown out the wise
Dark clouds have gathered to block out the sun
All of our sins to judge us in turn

Mothers and daughters, fathers and sons
Would any be counted to take up the cause?
If we can't imagine that the hour is near
Then all of our sins won't fade with the tears

Do you hear the drums of the warmonger's charge
Who feeds on the blood of our youngest and brave
Throw oil on the fires, turn friend against friend
All of our sins consume us in flame

I hope you know, I hope you can see
The march is beginning all over again
Will we ever learn? Will we ever know peace,
Before all of our sins drag us to the deep?

Can you not see them? There's blood on their hands
They rape and they murder for pleasure and gain
The harbingers comes in blazes of gold
With fear and destruction a haven for none

What would it take to force us to act?
Before visions have faded and hope is worn out
Would we strive to be better? Could we learn from the past?
For all of our sins - atonement at last

For the sake of our conscience, for the sake of our souls
To never more suffer peace without end
Or will be pass silent into the great night?
When all of our sins will lie with the dust

Tell me their names, tell me their names
Look into their eyes and what do you see?
Do you see their pain and look blindly away?
Do you hear their voices? Do you hear their screams?

And do you not suffer? Do you know no shame?
All those around you would banish you away
I hope that their cries haunt you till the end
All of your sins, you can't wash away

For the sake of our conscience, for the sake of our souls
To never more suffer peace without end
Or will be pass silent into the great night?
When all of our sins will lie with the dust

For the sake of our conscience, for the sake of our souls
To never more suffer peace without end

[Ray]

Let it drop. Please.

Seconded...

Agreed. I’m bored of it all. The Orange one will soon be gone, and hopefully some grown-ups will prevail.

[partlyscot]

Get past the first few words about Gun Training and you'll find a very interesting,
factual article of Who instigated the siege on Capital Hill.

John Sullivan is an idiot. He has now been arrested. He is also One Man.

Are you seriously trying to say he alone instigated the insurrection of Jan 6th? One man can have an influence, if he has the right platform, like say, President of the United States. That man, is on record in multiple instances, talking in an inflammatory way, stirring up an emotional response in a group of people who really don't need any further push to do stupid, dangerous things.

There were multiple claims in that video which have been presented in lawsuits about the election, which have been debunked and rejected in those lawsuits.

Trump and McConnell have appointed more than 475 judges in 4 years, 226 of which are federal, 54 of those are appellate judges, and 3 of those are United States Supreme Court Judges. This is far more than any other president managed in 4 years, and exceeds all but a few who had 8 years. Despite this, in over 60 lawsuits filed by, or on his behalf, he had one minor win, which was later overturned by the Pennsylvania supreme court. These rejections have been by Democrat and republican judges, including some appointed by trump himself.

No cases of election fraud have been proven. Very, very few cases of voter fraud have been found, and most, if not all, were by trump voters.

Continuing to claim that the election was rigged against trump is wilfully ignoring reality.

[SkirtsDad]

I found this article interesting:
Trump Told Three Big Lies — and They’re Ripping America Apart

[miloshlavka]

When I listen to this song, and sit back and run through the events of the last several years, I honestly struggle to hold back tears...

https://youtu.be/-vUXea8MXco

I speak from a place where some talk of signs
Tired superstitions to drown out the wise
...

Thanks for this song. I didn't know it (and this group) yet. Excellent. Thanks once more.

[moonshadow]

When I listen to this song, and sit back and run through the events of the last several years, I honestly struggle to hold back tears...

https://youtu.be/-vUXea8MXco

I speak from a place where some talk of signs
Tired superstitions to drown out the wise
...

Thanks for this song. I didn't know it (and this group) yet. Excellent. Thanks once more.

No problem man! VNV Nation is a group I just got turned onto about a year ago (thanks Pandora!). I too like their sound. "Beloved" also works my tear ducts too... "Collide" is a moving song... they all sound great played on max volume with full bass.

I found this article interesting:
Trump Told Three Big Lies — and They’re Ripping America Apart

Good article skirtsdad, though it's basically "preaching to the choir". Nary a single MAGA mind will be changed... I guarantee it! They are masters of their own universe...

[Big and Bashful]

Great song Moon, and very apt.

[Gusto10]

Having lived in the US and now having watched what happened and I would have been a US citizen, I would feel deeply ashamed as an American. The US will not be able to teach other countries on Demcracy for many years.