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On crossdressing

Discussion of fashion elements and looks that are traditionally considered somewhat "femme" but are presented in a masculine context. This is NOT about transvestism or crossdressing.

Re: On crossdressing

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Re: On crossdressing

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Re: On crossdressing

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Courage, conviction, nerve, verve, dash, panache, guts, nuts, balls, gall, élan, stones, whatever. Get some and get skirted.

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Re: On crossdressing

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Re: On crossdressing

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby weeladdie18 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:22 pm

Please allow me to clarify the definition of cross dressing for the male who wishes to join the world of the Transvestite.
The definition of a T. V. is a male who wishes to appear as a female....This is quite clear. Either one wishes to appear with a female
shaped body and female facial outline and hairstyle or one wishes to appear as the gender with which one was born.

Please note that I have made no mention of the style of clothes which one wishes to wear. I hope this definition has clarified this matter.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Sinned » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:46 am

I strongly beg to differ weeladdie as the definitions of cross dressing that I've seen make no mention of trying to appear as a woman. They just say wearing clothes of the opposite sex.

Wikipedia says: "Cross-dressing is the act of wearing items of clothing and other accoutrements commonly associated with the opposite sex within a particular society. Cross-dressing has been used for purposes of disguise, comfort, and self-discovery in modern times and throughout history."

No mention there of trying to appear as a woman just the same reasons that most of us wear what we wear. I accept that I am a cross dresser because I wear garments marketed to women. But then most women are cross dressers so I am actually in with the majority.

As for transvestite, that goes a little further, but not much. "A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes primarily associated with the opposite sex." Again no mention of trying to appear as a member of the opposite sex.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:18 am

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby weeladdie18 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:16 am

I would thank Sinned for chosing to debate my post regarding "on crossdressing " . I would strongly advise him to study the statements made
by the Beaumont Society which is a British National Society which represents the T.V. Movement in the U.K. .....as far as I can remember the old
party line was that the membership wished to appear as Females . ....However this did not prevent the members from appearing as
Females who wore female trousers....... I would further remind Sinned that he has made no reference to his source of information regarding
statements which differ from my post.
I would be delighted to withdraw my post if he has sufficient information from the Beaumont Society to satisfy me that
statements I have made are incorrect...................................
Many years ago I attended several local meetings of the local Branch of the Beaumont Society purely out of curiousity and I can assure
the Skirt Café that the Aims and objectives of the T.V.s in the B.S. are not quite my cup of tea.........
I feel that any misunderstanding regarding the aims and objectives of the T.V. movement should be clarified for the"Men in Skirts " in the Skirt Cafe
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:03 am

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Re: On crossdressing

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Sinned » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Right, weeladdie. You want references.

Collins dictionary English: "If someone cross-dresses, they wear the clothes of the opposite sex, especially for sexual pleasure." Or "to wear clothes normally associated with the opposite sex." [0]

[0] No mention of trying to look like a woman. For sexual pleasure would include fetishes I presume.

Cambridge dictionary English: "the act of wearing clothes usually worn by the opposite sex"

Dictionary.com: "to dress in clothing typically worn by members of the opposite sex."

Do I need to go on? Netdoctor.com, thefreedictionary.com, Mcmillan dictionary etc. In not one of the definitions is there any mention of trying to look like a woman. Sorry, weeladdie, but I rest my case.

Lifted directly from The Beaumont Society's web page, "The Beaumont Society is a national self help body run by and for the transgender community." Transgender is a whole new ballpark from cross dressing. I'm a cross dresser, although not for sexual pleasure, but I'm not transgender, and never will be.

There have been whole threads discussing cross dressing and transvestism. Please search for and read them.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby oldsalt1 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:08 pm

Things are just as muddy on this side of the pond. It seems that here a male crossdresser wants to look and be perceived as a women completely makeup hair etc. while a transvestite just likes to wear the clothing.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:06 pm

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby weeladdie18 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:13 pm

I would agree with Old Salt that the world of the T.V. and the Cross Dresser is very muddy.....I am returning to the safety of the Skirt Café
and will be taking another Lattee beneath the palm trees whilst wearing my favourite summer skirt......weeladdie
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