Difficulties with partners

[moonshadow]

I have yet to figure out, in this age of so-called gender equality, why it is that women can do as they please in the matter of dress, but if a man presumes the same right the sky is likely to fall on him.

My thoughts on this are WELL documented on this site. I share your question. I wish I knew the answer. I think it all boils down to humans are asinine.

[crfriend]

's/humans/some humans/g' please.

(That's a UNIX-ism to insert the word "some" in front of "humans" and is put forward entirely crassly.)

[moonshadow]

's/humans/some humans/g' please.

(That's a UNIX-ism to insert the word "some" in front of "humans" and is put forward entirely crassly.)

I don't know Carl... my faith in humanity seems to have tanked today... maybe tomorrow will be better.

Okay, okay... but I just can't bring myself to use the word "some".... most humans are asinine. There... that's the best I can do right now...

[Fred in Skirts]

My thoughts on this are WELL documented on this site. I share your question. I wish I knew the answer. I think it all boils down to humans are asinine.

crfriend 's/humans/some humans/g' please. (That's a UNIX-ism to insert the word "some" in front of "humans" and is put forward entirely crassly.)

Moon, I am of the opinion you are very much correct in this assumption. I also think some are not human at all.

Fred

[Milfmog]

I have yet to figure out, in this age of so-called gender equality, why it is that women can do as they please in the matter of dress, but if a man presumes the same right the sky is likely to fall on him.

That's because you are trying to answer an emotionally based question with a logical reaction. That never works. To overcome the emotion you must first get past it, only then will the other party be open to thinking logically.

I think it all boils down to humans are asinine

As a friend regularly used to say to me: "never underestimate the power of stupidity".

Have fun,


Ian.

[crfriend]

As a friend regularly used to say to me: "never underestimate the power of stupidity".

That has a much better ring to it than tarring all of humanity with an overly-broad brush.

As I explained it to a pal just yesterday, "The amount of intelligence in the universe is finite. The popluation is expanding." And sometimes you just can't beat stupid; reason and emotion both bounce off like a marble dropped on a rock.

Moon -- Sorry to hear about the recent lumps you've taken. That's no fun.

[Couya]

I have yet to figure out ... why it is that women can do as they please in the matter of dress, but if a man presumes the same right the sky is likely to fall on him.

Could this be the proof that women are intellectually superior to men? That the latter are afraid of something that has never happened, whereas the former know that the sky cannot care a damn about what they do. Women are realistic, while men are just too scared to step out of the box.
( Add "some" where you think it is needed.)

Martin

[moonshadow]

Could this be the proof that women are intellectually superior to men?

Probably.

[renesm1]

Yes but, the problem here is that while women can and do dress as they please (to some extent, there are exceptions to the rule), they then cannot (or will not) extend the same rule to their partners.

I.e. a lot of women will say "yes, men can wear whatever they want!" Then when you ask the same women if their husbands/boyfriends can wear whatever they want, the answer changes drastically and in the opposite way.

(Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule here because some women of men here do embrace skirt-wearing males)

I also think because of this, a lot of men don't wear skirts (even though they want to) as they don't want to lose partners (understandably).

[denimini]

Yes but, the problem here is that while women can and do dress as they please (to some extent, there are exceptions to the rule), they then cannot (or will not) extend the same rule to their partners.

The response to that is "Pants are acceptable on women these days because of the actions of a few brave women".

[moonshadow]

Yes but, the problem here is that while women can and do dress as they please (to some extent, there are exceptions to the rule), they then cannot (or will not) extend the same rule to their partners.

The response to that is "Pants are acceptable on women these days because of the actions of a few brave women".

Ultimately it's going to be up to each man who wants to wear a skirt to decide if it's worth it.

Although I can't know for sure, I would imagine that back in the 50's and 60's, and hell, maybe even in the present day in small backward pockets of the country, some women are prohibited by their husbands from wearing trousers, even though these women may secretly wish they could. I'd say back 50 or 60 years ago, many women could, and did challenge these notions, and just began wearing trousers.

And yes, I'm sure it did create some domestic drama, up to and including divorce. After all, I doubt many would deny that divorce rates began to spike staring around the 70's. That's when the women's lib movement was at it's prime. Women across the nation were standing up and saying "I'm not taking this anymore", and walked out. I give them props and credit, because in those days... it wasn't a double standard, as I would assume their husbands DID NOT wear skirts! These women challenged an unfair rule, and embraced their own brand of fashion freedom on the sole premise that they ought to be allowed to wear the clothes of their choosing. Good for them! Men have an ace in the hole in that regard, because women now can CHOOSE, but we can NOT. Yet men won't play that card (a strong card not available to the women of the 50's) for various reasons, the biggest one being they are afraid. Afraid of being seen as "feminine" or "different".

All that being said, some women are still prohibited from wearing trousers, often times it may be the result of THEIR own social conditioning. If they were raised in a household where religiously ALL women wore skirts and dresses, and ALL men wore trousers, then these women still must overcome their social conditioning just as we must.

But, as I'm sure most of us already know, women have a MUCH easier row to hoe these days, in that when a woman breaks free from "skirt tyranny", the world surrounds them, embraces them, and champions them for finally setting theirselves free. Men on the other hand.... we get to worry about divorce, loosing jobs, loosing family, loosing friends.

Woman: "I told my husband I ain't wearing these skirts no more! And if he don't like it, there's the door!"
Society: "YOU GO GIRL!"

Man: "I told my wife I ain't wearing these trousers no more! And if she don't like it, there's the door!"
Society: "You perverted crossdressing freak! Don't you know the bible prohibits men from wearing skirts! What are you some kind of homo? You need to be a man!"

[Kilty]

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It could be down to the fact that trousers are so versatile - you can sit how you like and in more strenuous hands on jobs (perhaps involving carrying things / crawling under desks doing cabling etc) very practical. When I am wearing a skirt, I then have to follow the more demure way of sitting, not flashing my knickers whilst uncrossing my legs etc... stuff that girls are taught from day one, that most blokes if they are honest wouldn't dream of having to do... even in a kilt there's allowance to spread your legs

Just having skirts alongside shorts and trousers and just wearing the former like its the most normal thing in the world will help... X Factor UK singer Seann Miley Moore, although flamboyant, just gets on with his skirting

[Caultron]

...X Factor UK singer Seann Miley Moore, although flamboyant, just gets on with his skirting,

Now, this guy is a roaring peacock.

[bobmoore]

Lots of interesting replies. The question is quite complex because the wild cards of emotion, desire to conform, regnant social convention, and so forth are both variable and pretty much unpredictable. Men in skirts will go unremarked when men have finally had enough. That may or may not ever happen.

[bobmoore]

Continuing the thought:

We just got back from a week at Myrtle Beach (a popular South Carolina resort destination). During the week I wore pants twice when the wind was up. The rest of the time it was either a kilt, or a Utilikilt (the old step-in model; the original "Original"), or my Macabi. I got exactly zero comments, including the nice folks at the helicopter rental place. Maybe it's my age, but I don't much care if the world approves of me or not.