Angel One

[moonshadow]

For years I watch an episode or two of Star Trek TNG almost nightly, assuming I get home in time. (I have all 7 seasons on DVD)

Tonight I watched the episode "Angel One" which tells the story of a small group of marooned men, who crash landed on a planet ruled by women, whereas the women are dominant, and men are submissive. This was the first time I had worked my way around to this episode in season 1 since I started skirting, and it's interesting to look at it now through this new frame of mind I have.

I found it interesting that even in this fictional planet, the women are still wearing dresses and the men are still wearing trousers. The writers should have went all the way and swapped roles. But alas, I know it was the late 80's, and our television society wasn't quite ready for that yet. Still, the men look completely stupid. They should have been wearing the dresses, and women the trousers in this episode. Would have made more sense, at least with the plot.

Still, those dresses are rockin! Wonder where I can find one of that style?

Love that one the woman on the left is wearing.

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[Caultron]

Even in science fiction, the characters have to appeal to current-day audiences.

And so they look and dress, except for minor variations, in current-day styles.

[crfriend]

I found it interesting that even in this fictional planet, the women are still wearing dresses and the men are still wearing trousers.

Are those dresses, or are they palazzo pants? The entire scene oozes 1980s Earth (where, coincidentally, at least in much of the USA, women were busy using the legal system to subvert men and to take absolute control -- which they have achieved).

Clearly not much has changed from today to the fictional(?) future of TNG. Women continue to humiliate and dominate men, and women continue to dress for each other (although what we see in the photograph might be a uniform of some sort). I'd want off that rock, pronto -- just as fast as I want off this one.

The outfits are nice, though, but I feel for the poor little bastard in the codpiece. Where's a Claymore when one needs it?

[skirtyscot]

The Two Ronnies: The Worm that Turned. Set in a dystopian future (2012!), where England is ruled by women, and the men wear dresses. I'd post a link but it's too difficult on my phone.

[moonshadow]

Are those dresses, or are they palazzo pants?

Pretty sure they are dresses, and believe me, I was looking for an inseam throughout the episode! They way the characters were "strutting" you'd see an inseam if one existed. I googled palazzo pants today, and.... well let me say that I see they are considered "women's garments"... and in my opinion they can keep them! Those are the stupidest looking pants I've ever seen! I saw them at the "hippie" store in Bristol where I purchased me latest skirt.... just looked at them, and said... "hahahehahaha......aaaahhh.... NO!"

Clearly not much has changed from today to the fictional(?) future of TNG. Women continue to humiliate and dominate men, and women continue to dress for each other (although what we see in the photograph might be a uniform of some sort).

Well, as you know I'm quick to rant on "woman politics" of the day, but I will admit, this episode was greatly exaggerated. Women aren't "that" bad here ("on Earth"), even in the present day. It's interesting that when I was googling various search terms trying to locate this dress, I happened upon a feminist trekkies website who took the position (along with Gene Roddenberry - per the feminist blog author) that the episode was "very sexist". Apparently feminist are none to impressed with the depiction of women on Angel One...

... maybe it's because they're still wearing dresses?

The outfits are nice, though,

Spent all night last night trying to locate one... came up VERY short. Found NOTHING like it ANYWHERE. I googled:

Angel one dress
star trek tng angel one dress
angel one dress maxi
star trek tng angel one dress maxi
angel one costume
angel one costume dress
80s dress (note some cool stuff in there, but not what I was looking for)
90s dress
dress wide shoulder wings
futuristic dress
futuristic dress angel one

NOTHING!

Any help here would be appreciated.

[crfriend]

Women aren't "that" bad here ("on Earth"), even in the present day.

Wait until you've had one take a dislike to you and who knows how to game the system.

On palazzo pants: These can be a mixed bag and can range anywhere from very flattering to outright ridiculous. I have a few pairs and rather like them; however, I tend to treat them as "split skirts" rather than trousers. They're extraordinarily comfortable -- very unlike male trousers.

[moonshadow]

Wait until you've had one take a dislike to you and who knows how to game the system.

Well, at this juncture, I don't think my wife would, even in an ugly divorce. Frankly I just don't make enough money to be a good target. And I will also point out that in recent years, the court system... at least in this part of the state has started to "back off" of men a little. Honestly I'm starting to see more and more men winning custody of children, women being rewarded less in alimony, so on and so forth. (maybe something to do with the overpopulation in U.S. prisons? 93% of which are MEN) This is also one of the reasons I don't make any effort to save any amount of wealth, why I don't mind blowing money on skirts every weekend, why we take car trips all of the time, and why I'm not interested in buying another house. I only put back 3% to 401k, and only because my employer matches 3%. I just fail to see the point of saving anything. Odds are, I'm going to loose it all anyway. I have a small amount in savings, but just enough to dodge a minor life mishap. Nothing major. Not even enough to put a good down payment on a car.

If my wife ever did rake me over the coals, there's always Mexico. Could also fake my death and conjure up a new straw man.

Post marriage.... I'll never let another woman get her "tentacles" that fair into my life *again*.

On palazzo pants: These can be a mixed bag and can range anywhere from very flattering to outright ridiculous. I have a few pairs and rather like them; however, I tend to treat them as "split skirts" rather than trousers. They're extraordinarily comfortable -- very unlike male trousers.

To each his own. But what I saw on google images did nothing for me. Just a little to "70's" for my liking.

[Milfmog]

Wait until you've had one take a dislike to you and who knows how to game the system.

Well, at this juncture, I don't think my wife would, even in an ugly divorce. Frankly I just don't make enough money to be a good target.

Money is not the only motive...

Have fun now (later may be too late...)


Ian.

[moonshadow]

Well... doesn't matter... Im in it now. So what will be will be. One thing I know for sure.... many men who have been through even ugly divorces get through it. Sure there are emotional scars, and some may be somewhat bitter after the fact, but you survive.

But anyway back to Angel One.... I wouldn't want to live on the planet for obvious reasons. But I could stay there for about a week. As far as what I would do during that time.....? Well it moves a little past PG rated so we'll leave it at that.

[dillon]

I'm not too comfortable about equating men wearing skirts with female domination. While we all make certain concessions and compromises for the sake of domestic tranquility, and for love, I, for one, am about as far from a submissive as there is. In fact, I often wonder if my affinity for skirts, etc, doesn't have as much to do with my combination of testosterone-fueled spite and stubbornness in the face of opposition as it does with my attraction to the fairer sex and their ways. But it has absolutely nothing to do with any desire to submit to a woman's authority. We have pretty much already agreed to post cautiously regarding gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. Perhaps the same is wise for this subject.

So, female dominance is certainly not valid in my life, and perhaps it does not benefit our mission here to suggest it may be a theme behind our choices. There are undoubtedly members who might, secretly or openly, subscribe to the bottom of a D/s relationship, and I don't judge them, or any members who may be trans- or gay. But I advise being careful about bringing out images that might paint us all with the same brush. That has been a source of drama and contention on this site in the past. If discussions of such things seem relevant, let's place them in News/Advocacy forum. Thanks...

[moonshadow]

I'm not too comfortable about equating men wearing skirts with female domination. While we all make certain concessions and compromises for the sake of domestic tranquility, and for love, I, for one, am about as far from a submissive as there is. In fact, I often wonder if my affinity for skirts, etc, doesn't have as much to do with my combination of testosterone-fueled spite and stubbornness in the face of opposition as it does with my attraction to the fairer sex and their ways. But it has absolutely nothing to do with any desire to submit to a woman's authority. We have pretty much already agreed to post cautiously regarding gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. Perhaps the same is wise for this subject.

So, female dominance is certainly not valid in my life, and perhaps it does not benefit our mission here to suggest it may be a theme behind our choices. There are undoubtedly members who might, secretly or openly, subscribe to the bottom of a D/s relationship, and I don't judge them, or any members who may be trans- or gay. But I advise being careful about bringing out images that might paint us all with the same brush. That has been a source of drama and contention on this site in the past. If discussions of such things seem relevant, let's place them in News/Advocacy forum. Thanks...

I think you're pulling more out of this thread that what was intended (at least my intentions anyway). I myself in my own personal life believe I'm a balance of dominance/submissive. It really depends on the situation I'm in. I don't have a problem with dominant women, but I do believe their dominance stops where my freedoms begin. Or at the very least, they will only control me to the extent that I will allow it. (just ask my wife) But you're right about one thing, this board (as a whole) isn't for these type of discussions, and thus I will nix it here.

However in my own defense, again it wasn't my intention to really get into this corner of discussion, but rather to make general conversation about the peculiarities of the episode in question. The fact that in this clear ball busting feminist planet, the women are still wearing what is considered by society as submissive dress*, the men look just as ridiculous don't get me wrong, but I still thought the whole thing was odd, and somewhat interesting... politics of the 1980's and all.

* It was NOT my intention to "paint" dress and skirt wearers of any sex (male or female, or any variation in between) as submissive. In fact, I'll agree that it takes a certain amount of dominance for a man to work up the gall to wear his first skirt out in public. It is NOT ground for the timid or submissive. However just because it is my view, doesn't make it the common view of society. Like it or not, the majority of onlookers will indeed view us as feminine and submissive for wearing skirts and dresses. Is it right? No, but for now anyway, that's just the way it is. Many commentators, bloggers, and even some in the psychology field claim that one of the biggest barriers to men wearing skirts and dresses (kilts not included) is societies view that these garments are submissive in nature, and for a man to wear one is to degrade oneself. I have seen evidence of this, as in my skirt wearing experience, some of the nastiest snares and dirtiest looks come from the most burliest of redneck type of men, who somehow feel I am threatening their manhood by wearing a skirt.

Is it right? No, but again, for now, that's just the way it is. The only way we can change that is by continuing to wear our skirts with a degree of masculine pride. Now in recent months I will admit, I have been experimenting with more feminine styles, but it's not because I'm submissive, or wanting to turn into a woman. I'm happy with who I am under the skirts. Rather I just like the character I present to the world when I wear what I want to wear. It tells the world that I won't be told "no", I won't be pushed around and bullied. If I want to wear a tartan men's kilt, or a pink prom dress, I will.... and if that's not dominant, I don't know what is.

Before I close, I do have to say for the record, that I take the view that there is no shame in masculine, or feminine, or any mixture of the two. As I have stated ever since I first came here, I do freely explore my feminine side, and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm sorry if it runs afoul of a few here, but that's just the way I am, it's my nature. I will respect the rules of the board, but I won't suppress who I am. If it's a problem, than a mod needs to let me know and I'll gracefully exit stage left. But I continue to post, and tiptoe around this issue because at the end of the day, I believe we are adults, and reasonable people. Also know that I have read some of the post from back when things got a little hairy here, and everyone here should know that at the end of the day, I do try to do my own little part to keep the peace and respect others, and above all the rules of the house (the board). If a fight breaks out..... it won't be on my account, you all have my word on that. And with that, I end my involvement in this discussion.

*extends hand for handshake*

Peace!

-Moon

[dillon]

I didn't mean to imply anything beyond the fact that an opinion was presented about dominant women putting men in dresses/skirts.

I found it interesting that even in this fictional planet, the women are still wearing dresses and the men are still wearing trousers. The writers should have went all the way and swapped roles. But alas, I know it was the late 80's, and our television society wasn't quite ready for that yet. Still, the men look completely stupid. They should have been wearing the dresses, and women the trousers in this episode. Would have made more sense, at least with the plot.

If it's a meaningful theme here, then there's a forum where that could be explored better, and it would be clear that it's in line with other issues and opinions that are discussed, debated, and noted there. Just sayin'...that image is hardly universal among members.

[wsherman]

LOL!
First I issue a disclaimer I'm using the dictation feature on my phone to post this message. With that in mind I want to warn you that Siri does not always get what I say right. So if it's garbage or garbled not my fault! LOL! In-line now on to what I want to say. As I was considering the episode of angel one I thought perhaps they were trying to say that clothing does not really commentate power and does not equal power. I think this is in keeping with the concept that they were trying to push in the early episodes for crew men were wearing dresses as well as the trousered uniforms.
I have always thought it was sad that they did not continue using the dresses it would've been interesting to see how that uniform evolved over the seasons.

Now on another subject I am interested in the dress uniform that was ward and TNG. That was for all intents Amanda's dress! Does anyone know where I could get a pattern forward or even purchase a copy of the uniform? Not having much luck with my search who for that.
Take care!

Slainte'
Bill and sir Brinkley the exuberant! My much loved Leader Dog.