Snag Tights

[Barleymower]

I have spoken to Sang Tights a couple of time by email a d they have been happy to talk. In my last message I suggested they visit the Men In Skirt here and start a conversation on how ro bring men to snag tights.
If they do come they will find this thread and hopefully a conversation with them will be great beginnings for them and us.
So I'll start by asking this: how should Snag Tights market their Tights to men?

[DrFishnets]

Crotchless tights or tights with room for male bits would be good if they were to manufacture tights for men. Also very large sizes for us large men.

[STEVIE]

So I'll start by asking this: how should Snag Tights market their Tights to men?

Chicken and egg question BM.
Look at all the marketing for hosiery and it's all about legs.
Legs on show to the world and his dog.
I know opinion is divided, but tights in general are accessories, designed to be seen and discussed.
Unlike garments, unmentionable, Mods, relax!
We know that MIS is a minor movement, add the cross-dressers and drag contingent and you have an idea of the market for men's tights.
Just one snag, every single person in those categories is probably buying tights already, converted!
I honestly don't think that there is an answer unless, or until, MIS really takes hold.

Crotchless tights or tights with room for male bits would be good if they were to manufacture tights for men. Also very large sizes for us large men.

All of this exists already Dr. F, just expensive. Crotchless tights are better known as stockings, hold ups, you know about.

Guys, I have been wearing tights of various types for 40 years or so, never crossed my mind to worry about them being sold for guys or gals.
I had to come to the cafe for that, thanks a lot!
Steve

[Barleymower]

Stevie I think I'm looking at this from another angle. I think snag tights should simply incorporate male presenting men in their website. The men in question would be wearing skirts and tights in the most normal way possible le and look like they are having fun.
It should not affect Snag in the slightest because none of it woukd be sexual. If done right it could benefit the company. Eg women choosing her new tights would show her man the men on the site. The man might go for it because like me he is on the verge of making the leap anyway. Also like the guy I met on the ferry. He saw me, all at ease with my kids and he said "I really like your skirt, I'm going to do it I am!"
Coder said that men wearing tights are in cosplay mode. Looking at the women on the site, what they are wearing is practically cosplay.
Everybody likes dressing up really, it's fun.

[STEVIE]

It should not affect Snag in the slightest because none of it woukd be sexual.

Not sexual BM, costly!
If Snag, or any other retailer sniffs more money, they'll leap at it, otherwise, why bother?
As for, cosplay, too many people regard MIS as just that anyway.
Steve.

[Coder]

It should not affect Snag in the slightest because none of it woukd be sexual.

Not sexual BM, costly!
If Snag, or any other retailer sniffs more money, they'll leap at it, otherwise, why bother?
As for, cosplay, too many people regard MIS as just that anyway.
Steve.

If they featured male models I'd not be swayed either way. For me, it's about design, quality, and fit. I'm guessing that goes for the majority of male buyers. The only benefit - and this is questionable - is by featuring more men people would think more about who is allowed to wear what - and that's not really SNAG's business purpose, is it?

As for special accommodations... a scissors to the fabric goes a long way in terms of comfort, and doesn't require a special - and dare I say usually expensive - male-specific product.

Look - I'd like to be proven wrong. But often when fashion companies try something like this, it comes off as inauthentic and with SNAG's cheerful/playful vibe, how do you photograph a guy in their tights in a way that matches the companies look while also preserving men's "masculinity"? So so so much of marketing to guys is preserving a stoic appearance. Maybe I'm bitter, or haven't looked closely at men's marketing for along time now.

[Barleymower]

It should not affect Snag in the slightest because none of it woukd be sexual.

Not sexual BM, costly!
If Snag, or any other retailer sniffs more money, they'll leap at it, otherwise, why bother?
As for, cosplay, too many people regard MIS as just that anyway.
Steve.

Because they say on their site that their products are for everyone. Everyone except men.

I'm OK the general wantbto call it cosplay. If that makes them comfortable. I not dressing up as an elf though, just so I can wear a skirt.

[Barleymower]

If they featured male models I'd not be swayed either way. For me, it's about design, quality, and fit. I'm guessing that goes for the majority of male buyers. The only benefit - and this is questionable - is by featuring more men people would think more about who is allowed to wear what - and that's not really SNAG's business purpose, is it?

No it's not Snags business purpose but if they want to be be inclusive then they need to include men. So many companies talk inclusivity and do nothing, always men left out in the cold.

As for for special accommodations... a scissors to the fabric goes a long way in terms of comfort, and doesn't require a special - and dare I say usually expensive - male-specific product.

Look - I'd like to be proven wrong. But often when fashion companies try something like this, it comes off as inauthentic and with SNAG's cheerful/playful vibe, how do you photograph a guy in their tights in a way that matches the companies look while also preserving men's "masculinity"? So so so much of marketing to guys is preserving a stoic appearance. Maybe I'm bitter, or haven't looked closely at men's marketing for along time now.

I don't think they need male specific sizes. What they have fits just fine.
How do you photograph a man in tights? Just look at Dyan Cawthorne's site. Everyone is relaxed and happy. My personal view is this look suits men best - relaxed.

[DrFishnets]

All of this exists already Dr. F, just expensive. Crotchless tights are better known as stockings, hold ups, you know about.

Talking about crotchless tights, I got a pair of scissors and cut a big hole in the crotch of a pair of tights that were always coming down and now I can pull the tights up to above my navel and they now stay up. )

[STEVIE]

If they featured male models I'd not be swayed either way. For me, it's about design, quality, and fit. I'm guessing that goes for the majority of male buyers.

Snag don't guess, they are making a business decision, pure and simple.

Because they say on their site that their products are for everyone. Everyone except men.

BM, the emboldened bit is me OK?
You don't need a picture to prove they mean it, or do you?
It would only work showing men in skirts and tights which they know they have already.
Our battle for choice and fashion freedom is not theirs, or any retailers.
Steve.

[crfriend]

Because they say on their site that their products are for everyone. Everyone except men.

You're likely reading more into that than you may think. There are both explicit and implicit messages, and sometimes mistakes are made in communication. If Snag wanted to explicitly deny a male market then they'd explicitly state so and possibly lose a small bit of market-share. This would be entirely dim on their part.

On the flip side of that is the converse, if they decided to explicitly include men they could come under fire from various far-right-wing reactionary groups and lose face (and market share) from that.

In troubled times -- and we are certainly in those now -- it's frequently best to stay the course and keep one's head down lest it get shot off by some whacko. I suspect this is precisely what Snag are doing -- and I think it's wise at this juncture in time. So men get ignored. That's nothing new. Men have been being re-classed as second- and third-rate citizens for years. There are no such concepts as "men's rights" in the modern world. We're wallets, ATMs, sperm-donors, and prisoners. The radical "feminists" have won -- which is funny as they're little more than parodies of everything bad about men with precisely none of the good. Expect to remain being locked out.

Maybe -- just maybe -- if society ever recovers from this right-wing reactionary malaise things might get better, but I do not see that happening in my lifetime.

[Barleymower]

Well I had hoped that there would be some constructive discussion about getting some exposure for MIS. Instead I got a massive dose of reality. If Snag log on and check out the discussion they will surely nod and log off again.

[Barleymower]

Because they say on their site that their products are for everyone. Everyone except men.

You're likely reading more into that than you may think. There are both explicit and implicit messages, and sometimes mistakes are made in communication. If Snag wanted to explicitly deny a male market then they'd explicitly state so and possibly lose a small bit of market-share. This would be entirely dim on their part.

On the flip side of that is the converse, if they decided to explicitly include men they could come under fire from various far-right-wing reactionary groups and lose face (and market share) from that.

In troubled times -- and we are certainly in those now -- it's frequently best to stay the course and keep one's head down lest it get shot off by some whacko. I suspect this is precisely what Snag are doing -- and I think it's wise at this juncture in time. So men get ignored. That's nothing new. Men have been being re-classed as second- and third-rate citizens for years. There are no such concepts as "men's rights" in the modern world. We're wallets, ATMs, sperm-donors, and prisoners. The radical "feminists" have won -- which is funny as they're little more than parodies of everything bad about men with precisely none of the good. Expect to remain being locked out.

Maybe -- just maybe -- if society ever recovers from this right-wing reactionary malaise things might get better, but I do not see that happening in my lifetime.

Carl I don't think I'm reading too much into it. They are merely using throw away phrases that actually have no basis in truth. Noone is going to challenge them becuase nobody cares enough to make the effort.
The rest I agree with.

[Barleymower]

If they featured male models I'd not be swayed either way. For me, it's about design, quality, and fit. I'm guessing that goes for the majority of male buyers.

Snag don't guess, they are making a business decision, pure and simple.

Because they say on their site that their products are for everyone. Everyone except men.

BM, the emboldened bit is me OK?
You don't need a picture to prove they mean it, or do you?
It would only work showing men in skirts and tights which they know they have already.
Our battle for choice and fashion freedom is not theirs, or any retailers.
Steve.

No I don't but their models are overwhelming cutesy girls in dress up. But that's the way retail works.
If retailers were forced to be honest in their advertising with the biggest ingredient in the title you you get products like "emulsified seed fat" rather than "utterly butterly".
Like everyone else they are saying one thing and doing another.
The battle is ours - yes. That should not stop people, retailers doing something for someone else. There's a growing perception that you don't do anything for anyone unless there's something in it for you.

[Uncle Al]

A few points to ponder:

A) I'm supposed to wear compression hose. I've been using Neo-G knee-highs and Panty hose.
Their panty hose has a LARGE comfort panel which supports, and protects 'stuff'. Made in Turkey.
Can't find them any more The Ebay company no longer carries them.

B) I've worn G&Y Fleece lined tights and they are quite warm.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9P6GHST?re ... th=1&psc=1

C) I've worn Silky Toes Women's Plus Size Blackout Thick Tights Heavy Opaque Microfiber Winter Tights
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BD93XKH?re ... th=1&psc=1

All of these tights fit VERY WELL None of them slip down, they stay up

I get to wear them for about 2 - 3 months of the year. The rest of the time is in knee-highs,
because of the hot climate I live in. After losing about 70 pounds, I need to find different sizes.

Another place to look for 'male' tights is Ballet Dance Wear. This 'dance wear' is not in the minds
of most of the public. It is, possibly, considered Theatrical Clothing, not worn every day.

Male tights are out there. Keep searching, you'll find them
Otherwise, if you get 'pinched', wear undies under your tights.

Uncle Al