Getting past fears of being perceived as gay, trans, etc.

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Getting past fears of being perceived as gay, trans, etc.

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I recently published an article called How Men Wear Skirts Without Fear of Stereotypes

A common frustration for men new to skirts is the notion that people will perceive them as gay, trans, or less masculine.

I gathered all the tips I could find on moving past these concerns and I'm wondering if anyone here has their own tips.

Have you struggled with this? What helped you get past it?

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You can't avoid, I think, that some might believe you are something that you are not. However, does it matter what strangers think about you?
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GerdG wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:24 pm You can't avoid, I think, that some might believe you are something that you are not. However, does it matter what strangers think about you?
Agreed GerdG, there are no controls on thought, yours or anyone else's.
All I did was break out of my comfort zones a bit at a time, push the boundaries at my own pace and be very aware of who and what I was among.
Now, I really don't care, but I am still observant of other people and their reactions.
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GerdG wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:24 pmYou can't avoid, I think, that some might believe you are something that you are not. However, does it matter what strangers think about you?
The core issue here isn't what others think of you, it's whether or not they'll insult you or worse -- and society is getting much more violent and less tolerant every day.
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crfriend wrote: Thu Jan 01, 1970 4:48 am The core issue here isn't what others think of you, it's whether or not they'll insult you or worse -- and society is getting much more violent and less tolerant every day.
Sorry to hear that. I have quite the opposite impression from my country, Denmark. To me a more tolerating society seems to be the trend all over Europe.
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GerdG wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:01 pm
crfriend wrote: Thu Jan 01, 1970 4:48 am The core issue here isn't what others think of you, it's whether or not they'll insult you or worse -- and society is getting much more violent and less tolerant every day.
Sorry to hear that. I have quite the opposite impression from my country, Denmark. To me a more tolerating society seems to be the trend all over Europe.
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Actually we can't avoid being mislabelled for what we wear. We can just try reducing how many people mislabel us by adorning masculine traits. The rest, happens in people's minds.

Does it matter? Depends on the situation. In LGBT hostile regions, wrong label may lead to reputation/physical risks, but this situation may help finding new friends (solidarity with a perceived common point). In a market, that same wrong label may result to different behaviour from the vendor (being helpful or "forgetting" about a good deal you could benefit from). When you go to a rendez-vous where you need to do a good impression to get something (loan, good car, oral exam, dating, job appointment, etc.) this may do a lot of difference. At an event, the speaker looking for someone to invite with them is more likely to choose the skirted man (same happens for the drunk man looking for someone to speak with in the metro). Etc. Note that I don't mean it's always in the bad direction: sometimes going against the general opinion will grant you things you wouldn't have had otherwise: my first job appointment, I made a lot of well known mistakes, and this accumulation - that I was not even aware about, I realized only later - played in my favor to get the job, they made me seen as "different" from interviewers, eventually in a sense of "interresting".
So for the "does it matter?" question, the answer depends on what can change due to this label, and whether you would welcome these changes or not.

As for struggling with it, this is indeed the main reason why I wear skirts so rarely: entering a long-term relationship with a woman is much more important to me than wearing a skirt (I can't imagine the first to never happen, whereas I would have no problem to accept the second to never happen anymore). The second reason, is quite a consequence of the first, I don't want to put my brother's reputation at risk as we're living 200m from each other. The attention that is drawn on me by wearing a skirt is not an issue at all, I like it a little bit in fact.


Regarding difference between US and UE, I can only tell for the place I live in (which is not speaking about differences, in fact). There are streets where I have no problem being skirted, but a lot of places I wouldn't go skirted out of certain hours and even certain places I wouldn't go skirted at all (mainly in and around big cities). These places are very insecure if you walk on them alone, even as a sportive young man. I will not expand more on this, but there are "groups" of people in these places, I'm not "one of them", which is sufficient for them to threaten me and the law will protect them if harm happens. Eventually in drab/boring I can pass without being noticed but this is not even guaranteed, thus doing so while wearing a skirt is inconscience or having friends there. So I wouldn't say it's better in the UE than in the US, I believe they're quite "comparable" (quotes intended) on that matter. Eventually as a colleague told me once:
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Spirou003 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:49 pm Actually we can't avoid being mislabelled for what we wear. We can just try reducing how many people mislabel us by adorning masculine traits. The rest, happens in people's minds.
I disagree with this. Not all of us want to adorn masculine traits. We need to be who we are and some of us are more feminine than others. Women wear every article of clothing that men year without and backlash. Men need to be afforded the same courtesy. If you are worried about being assaulted, always carry pepper spray attached to your purse and be ready to use it. In some areas of the USA, it is even legal to carry more powerful options in your purse.

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Getting over worrying about what people think is fundamental and helps with everything in life, not just wearing skirts. I wish I learned that in my teens rather than in my 60's. Thakfully where I live I have no fear of being abused or assaulted.
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get some crazy right wing shirt to offset the skirt. :D
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With me it all started of by wearing Lycra cyclist tights. I wore them with a long trench coat and timberland boots. I remember feeling very comfortable but I felt very nervous before going out. Opening the front door was like being in a plane high in the sky about to jump out. I plucked up the courage and quickly opened the door and marched out the house concentrating on my breathing.

I marched along the street feeling nervous but my exterior looked surprisingly confident with my head up and shoulders straight. People passed me by and I remember thinking if they thought I was gay or trans or a complete weirdo but I still continued marching in a confident manner.

Fortunately, I had my headphones on listening to my favourite music so if anyone passing by made a rude comment I wouldn’t have heard their rude comment anyway. Nobody seemed to bat an eyelid to what I was wearing and everything was absolutely fine. I remember returning home feeling so good and liberated.

Through out the months this extended my confidence to wear a skirt but hidden under a trench coat then months later I started wearing skirts with short jackets so the public were able to see I was wearing a skirt. I then started off with black leggings with skirts then thick opaque tights then once I got even more confident I sometimes wore black sheer tights/pantyhose.

I wear skirts, kilts or t-shirt dresses with tights and doc marten boots and a leather biker jacket and French beret and so far I’ve had no issues dressed like that in public (as far as I know). If there has been issues then I don’t know about them as I listen to music on my headphones when I’m outside for a walk. I’ve seen some people look at me with an intrigued expression on their face and I got a really nice comment from a girl who I walked passed at the university grounds. She smiled at me and said she likes what I’m wearing and I thanked her and smiled back.

If you really want to wear skirts and tights in public I say do it. You will feel great. I’m in my early 50s now and I really don’t give a damn if anyone thinks I’m gay, trans or a complete weirdo for wearing clothes I feel great and happy in.
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denimini wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:14 pm Getting over worrying about what people think is fundamental and helps with everything in life, not just wearing skirts. I wish I learned that in my teens rather than in my 60s. Thankfully where I live I have no fear of being abused or assaulted.
I agree, but still would rather avoid the misconceptions. Having a beard helps, and I like it.
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Spirou003 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:49 pm You disagree with something I did not say. But I agree that the phrasing may make think so :-)
The phrasing certainly made me think so too. I think that jamie001 disagreed with what you said although it was not what you meant. :)
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I’ve never cared about how I’m perceived by the public at large. Life’s too short to worry about stuff like that.
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I do not care anymore what anyone thinks of me. I have found my happy place and frankly cannot believe that I get to work and play in a skirt every day. There is nothing that I cannot do in a skirt or is barred to me by wearing a skirt. I now see a skirt I like and as long as it is available in my size and not too expensive, I can buy and wear it.

Oddly the last thing I had a hangup on was handbags. This year I have got over my problem with handbags and now use one all the time in play mode. Work mode, I find pockets the easiest, especially with computer and tool bags to carry around.

I think age, grown up kids and no more work positions to climb to, help immensely to getting past the fears of being perceived as gay or trans.
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