Nomenclature
- Fred in Skirts
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Re: Nomenclature
Thank You Uncle Al!
What you have stated is something I have been hollering about for ages.
How can we say it is women's clothing when women have not worn them. We bought them at the store and paid for them so they are our clothes not ever being a woman's clothes
I do not own any woman's clothes.
I wear skirts and dresses because they are comfortable and protect me from the elements and are there for decoration as well.
Fred
What you have stated is something I have been hollering about for ages.
How can we say it is women's clothing when women have not worn them. We bought them at the store and paid for them so they are our clothes not ever being a woman's clothes
I do not own any woman's clothes.
I wear skirts and dresses because they are comfortable and protect me from the elements and are there for decoration as well.
Fred
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- Jim
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Re: Nomenclature
I agree with you, Fred and Al.
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'I take exception to the phrase the 'pink side of the shop' especially on a thread advocating that clothes are clothes are clothes and should not be thought of as male or female.
Pink for girls is not universal and is a relatively recent concept.
Pink for girls is not universal and is a relatively recent concept.
- crfriend
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Thanks for trying to refresh the boys' notion of colour-coding, because not many recall that it actually flipped not all that long ago.
It used to be considered that pink, as a dilute shade of red, was appropriate for boys as red was the colour of warriors. Blue was regarded as a peaceful and staid colour and was appropriate for girls.
This has rather hilarious side-effects today when I get challenged for wearing my "Ukrainian colour" scheme (electric blue shirt and yellow skirt, and folks think I'm channelling Snow White. I'm not, but I get the reference. I also quite like the colour pink and have both shirts and skirts in said colour.
This lot -- of all folks -- ought to drop the gender references to clothing; unless there's a previously undetected sub-current here I'm not explicitly aware of at the moment.
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Suites me...
I'm always what I am regardless of what I wear. Why just today (Thanksgiving) for our photo I wore a nice flannel shirt, tucked in, and ordinary bluejeans. It's the exact same outfit I wore to the movies with some friends a few weeks ago. We all got a good chuckle when I was compared to a lumber-jack. Running with the joke, I made a reference to "looking the part with regards to the Pacific Northwest".
I'm still the same person I was yesterday, and the day before that, and I'll be the same person tomorrow, and Saturday.
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Re: Nomenclature
I think the "pink is only for girls" idea is a bit more complicated these days. A few decades ago, no boy would have considered wearing anything pink and nor would a grown man. Times have changed in that regard, but not as much as we might imagine. A boy can wear a pink skirt these days, but pink trousers? Pink pyjamas? Pink sports shoes? Could he choose a pink rucksack for school or a pink bike?
While I detect an unfairness, i.e. nobody cares if a girl or woman has blue items, I'm not too hung up on this if people want to use colour as a signifier. How does a girl signify she is girly? How does a woman express her femininity in colour? They opt for pink. I am not inclined to take that away from them.
On a side note, I recall some years ago feminists were alleging something called "the pink tax" claiming that goods marketed for women and girls were substantially more expensive than their counterparts in the men's ranges. They cited as examples deodorant and disposable shavers. I recall a production director from a major company, possibly Unilever, pointing out two things. First, the plastic used in razors has to be made with pigments. The pink pigment cost forty times (yes forty times!) as much to buy as the blue pigment, which meant production costs were unavoidably higher. He suggested women just buy the blue ones as they were essentially the same product. Second, men's deodorant contained ingredients like sandalwood and musk to provide the fragrance and these are really cheap feminine products, on the other hand, were made with expensive feminine perfumes like jasmine and rose. Again, this meant production costs for women's products were unavoidably higher and so they cost more.
Stu
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Stu, I'd sure like to see the 'costing' basis for such claims -- I used to have to contend with a bunch of product costing stuff, and off the top I'd say your "Product director' is giving a nifty line of BS -- the component size of a pigment difference in the total is likely infinitesimal, and only an excuse for the rather exorbitant "pink tax" that did/does in fact often exist -- to a far far greater extent than mere product costing, even when driven through the marketing layers.Stu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:12 pmOn a side note, I recall some years ago feminists were alleging something called "the pink tax" claiming that goods marketed for women and girls were substantially more expensive than their counterparts in the men's ranges. They cited as examples deodorant and disposable shavers. I recall a production director from a major company, possibly Unilever, pointing out two things. First, the plastic used in razors has to be made with pigments. The pink pigment cost forty times (yes forty times!) as much to buy as the blue pigment, which meant production costs were unavoidably higher. He suggested women just buy the blue ones as they were essentially the same product. Second, men's deodorant contained ingredients like sandalwood and musk to provide the fragrance and these are really cheap feminine products, on the other hand, were made with expensive feminine perfumes like jasmine and rose. Again, this meant production costs for women's products were unavoidably higher and so they cost more.
Stu
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