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I suppose it’s too much to expect the men of Britain to slip on a bit of satin or crêpe de chine every now and then without questioning their masculinity, though young people give me hope. But it is absurd that a colour, a fabric or the shape of a garment should still be so tied to Victorian ideas of propriety and gender. Clothes are for everyone, and there’s no rule that says they have to be boring or staid or funereal. Never mind Harry Styles — if an 85-year-old man in a wheelchair can make the point via his feet alone, so can anyone.

Coder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:08 am https://archive.ph/2GNFF

Original link: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/davi ... -x2rtkz3mq

I suppose it’s too much to expect the men of Britain to slip on a bit of satin or crêpe de chine every now and then without questioning their masculinity, though young people give me hope. But it is absurd that a colour, a fabric or the shape of a garment should still be so tied to Victorian ideas of propriety and gender. Clothes are for everyone, and there’s no rule that says they have to be boring or staid or funereal. Never mind Harry Styles — if an 85-year-old man in a wheelchair can make the point via his feet alone, so can anyone.

The article isn’t about MIS, but mentions skirted styles and in general, is a reminder that we should all be ourselves. Some other good points in there.

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:48 am Hadn’t thought of gender norms being Victorian ideas. Wonder the truth in that? But it’s the sense you get when you think of the “proper way to dress.”

Coder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:05 am

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:48 am Hadn’t thought of gender norms being Victorian ideas. Wonder the truth in that? But it’s the sense you get when you think of the “proper way to dress.”

Make drab / the suit come from around the time of the French Revolution, and the Victorian period shortly after. I often see people allude to the Victorian era as a heavy influence on today’s morals and ideas about what being a man/woman is. I don’t know if there is good research backing that up, or if someone said it one time and it stuck.

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:08 am So why? Why was the Victorian age so important and be able to thrust such myopic standards that persist today?

Myopic Bookworm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:44 pm

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:08 am So why? Why was the Victorian age so important and be able to thrust such myopic standards that persist today?

Perhaps because it saw the widespread establishment of the religious orthodoxies that emerged from the late 18th-century revivals within Protestant Christanity (evangelical, Methodist, etc.), and which mythologized the gender stereotypes of the earlier part of that age. (I dunno, I'm just handwaving.)

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:21 pm

Myopic Bookworm wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:44 pm

ScotL wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:08 am So why? Why was the Victorian age so important and be able to thrust such myopic standards that persist today?

Perhaps because it saw the widespread establishment of the religious orthodoxies that emerged from the late 18th-century revivals within Protestant Christanity (evangelical, Methodist, etc.), and which mythologized the gender stereotypes of the earlier part of that age. (I dunno, I'm just handwaving.)

Thought orthodox religions were around for awhile before the Victorian ages

Midas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:12 pm It looks as if yet another topic has been hijacked by the God botherers.

Coder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:39 pm I think the discussion was on-topic - unless there is some other secular influence that we are unaware of? Religion shaped - and continues to shape - history and society, hard to escape it.

Anyhow - if you click through on one of the links:

https://archive.ph/H1y7M

You can see the crocs - yellow - I don't find them reminiscent of duck feet as the author alludes to - ducks have orange/blue/grey feet - and he's the only person wearing a plaid suit. Certainly stands out among the others. But the uniformity of the rest of the group is sickening, punctuated by some snappy sock colors.

rode_kater wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:58 am Why on earth would people in Japan start wearing western business suits?