Interesting article about the origin of Mary Jane shoes

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moonshadow wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 pm
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So that's another fashion item that the women have stolen from us!
Well... I wouldn't say women "stole it", women, as is normally the case generally don't get all hung up sharing in our styles.

Men are the ones who get all weird about this stuff... "Fragile male ego" is practically a cliche.
I have to disagree slightly with this. Although I do tend to find women more accepting of me in a skirt, there are exceptions to this. Some women are completely against it. I have heard statement like, "That is womens clothing."

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Re: Interesting article about the origin of Mary Jane shoes

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Freedomforall wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 1:07 am
moonshadow wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 pm
Sinned wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 8:41 am
So that's another fashion item that the women have stolen from us!
Well... I wouldn't say women "stole it", women, as is normally the case generally don't get all hung up sharing in our styles.

Men are the ones who get all weird about this stuff... "Fragile male ego" is practically a cliche.
I have to disagree slightly with this. Although I do tend to find women more accepting of me in a skirt, there are exceptions to this. Some women are completely against it. I have heard statement like, "That is womens clothing."
Well... I suppose that's true, but most women don't seem to be jarred by my appearance. In fact most if the flack I get for wearing "womens" clothes comes from men.

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Re: Interesting article about the origin of Mary Jane shoes

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moonshadow wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 1:10 am
Freedomforall wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 1:07 am
moonshadow wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 pm


Well... I wouldn't say women "stole it", women, as is normally the case generally don't get all hung up sharing in our styles.

Men are the ones who get all weird about this stuff... "Fragile male ego" is practically a cliche.
I have to disagree slightly with this. Although I do tend to find women more accepting of me in a skirt, there are exceptions to this. Some women are completely against it. I have heard statement like, "That is womens clothing."
Well... I suppose that's true, but most women don't seem to be jarred by my appearance. In fact most if the flack I get for wearing "womens" clothes comes from men.

On average, I maintain that men are their own worst enemy.
I definitely agree with that!

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I hope I don't step on toes but a few times the word flack is used when it was about something bad coming over you. I think the German abbrevation for FliegerAbwehrKanone or Flak is meant.

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Actually BL, there are two separate words - flack and flak. Flack really means "to publicise or promote" so is used in the sense of "getting flack", whereas flak is what you say, anti-aircraft fire.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Interesting article about the origin of Mary Jane shoes

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I didn't realize that Mary Jane applied to all shoes with a strap that goes across the instep.

For what it's worth, the pair of shoes that I have gotten the most compliments for is the wing-tip, T-strap pumps by Naturalizer that I'm wearing with my interview suit in my most recent photos (see "Hi Ho, Hi Ho It's Off to Work I Go").

So I take back all of the derogatory things I've said about Mary Janes.
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There used to be a forum, looking very much like Skirtcafe, devoted
to "Mary Janes" and other unisex footwear such as saddle shoes and
English school sandals.
I do hope that member is still active.
Strap shoes like these have been associated with men and boys for centuries,
including Columbus, George III, George Washington, Ben Franklin, JFK Jr.,
the two-year old Franklin D. Roosevelt, and all juvenile males of the royal family.
And, of course, Pinocchio, Buster Brown, and Christopher Robin.
We all agree, I'm sure, that there is nothing inherently masculine or
feminine about skirts. There is likewise nothing inherently masculine
or feminine about the shoes given the inappropriate name of "Mary Jane."
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"I call them my Christopher Robins."

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Back when I went to lots of meetings in Edinburgh, there was a young woman in one group about 6ft tall with feet as large as mine. She often wore a white Dr Marten Mary Jane that I would have like to try. I see DM no longer make them. A pity.

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