Sightings "in the wild"

[crfriend]

100%. But the only way to fight against this is for more cis-hetero men to wear skirts. Then whenever someone says "excuse me ma'am" or asks "what's your pronouns", these men need to say, "I'm a guy" or "I'm not LGBTQ, I'm just a straight guy who like skirts."

If Western cis-hetero men continue to nearly universally shun skirts, then the vast majority of biological men in skirts will remain trans-women. Then we shouldn't be surprised when society (wrongly) generalizes men in skirts as simply being "trans."

The problem at this juncture starts to look like the proverbial chicken-and-egg problem and a deadlock results. Men (the overwhelming percentage of which are "straight") aren't going to widely adopt skirts because of all the shaming, slandering, and policing -- overt and covert -- regarding the matter, and those behaviours aren't going to stop until more straight guys stand up and start refusing the BS that's shoved their way.

[LiuBang]

The problem at this juncture starts to look like the proverbial chicken-and-egg problem and a deadlock results. Men (the overwhelming percentage of which are "straight") aren't going to widely adopt skirts because of all the shaming, slandering, and policing -- overt and covert -- regarding the matter, and those behaviours aren't going to stop until more straight guys stand up and start refusing the BS that's shoved their way.

Isn't that the solution I proposed? Every straight guy who wants to wear a skirt just needs to wear a skirt, regardless of what others think. And when someone asks their orientation/pronouns, they say unapologetically, "I'm just a straight guy who likes skirts."

[LiuBang]

The other day I was out the front here and across the road walked a group of young people, probably about 16 to 19 I'd say from a distance, two girls and two guys, one of them, definitely a guy with whispy facial hair and plenty of shoulder length frizzy hair was wearing a long, almost ankle length denim skirt. I don't see too many boys of men around here, but I've definitely seen a few and I'd say that most of them would be aged in the probably 16 to 25 age range, and they seem to all be treated by everyone else quite normally and their friends don't bat an eyelid.
I've seen a few groups of young people where one of the guys is wearing a skirt of some type.

Perhaps in Australia/UK MIS is more accepted? Perhaps compared to their Australian/British counterparts, American "progressives" are so much more focused on "affirming trans-identity" that they slavishly assume that any man in a skirt is trans, even if the man is cis-hetero? Because here I am in the heart of urban America, in San Diego, and after a year of living here I have only once seen a man in a skirt.

I would be surprised if a MTF transsexual person was not fairly scrupulous in removal of facial hair.

Plenty of examples of trans women keeping their facial hair:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwi ... uldnt-be-h

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender ... ?rdt=65460

https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/v ... 82?lang=en

[crfriend]

Isn't that the solution I proposed? Every straight guy who wants to wear a skirt just needs to wear a skirt, regardless of what others think. And when someone asks their orientation/pronouns, they say unapologetically, "I'm just a straight guy who likes skirts."

It is precisely, but how many guys are willing to undergo the insults and slandering that come with the territory at the moment? I'm willing to bet that not a lot are.

Were that it so easy. We'd have had this licked by now!

[Skirt18220]

I wear a skirt or kilt every day every where. I have never been asked about pronouns or called ma'am. I believe that is because I act like a man. Send out I'm a man signals.
More men aren't wearing kilts or skirts because they fear criticism or are conformists to societies rules. you need to be a strong independent person to make the leap to wearing skirts or kilts.

Dan

[Mouse]

I also wear a skirt/kilt every day to work and play here in the UK, all I get is compliments or Scotish questions.

[denimini]

In Australia I sometimes get Scottish references. At a hospital checkup a female staff member asked "Do you play the pipes?" I was wearing a denim mini skirt and I had just been working on some elaborate plumbing at home so it took a bit of catching up with the context.

[Pleats]

I wear a skirt or kilt every day every where. I have never been asked about pronouns or called ma'am. I believe that is because I act like a man. Send out I'm a man signals.
More men aren't wearing kilts or skirts because they fear criticism or are conformists to societies rules. you need to be a strong independent person to make the leap to wearing skirts or kilts.

Dan

Same for me. A couple of times someone called my skirt a kilt. No pleats in what I was wearing. I guess they thought any guy skirt is a kilt regardless of design.

[Seb]

I saw a man in a dress at the mall today, light brown tight maxi dress with side slits, he was in his mid 20ties and did not come off as belonging to the rainbow crowd. Was walking with his two mates, assuming it was some sort of stag party warmup. Gave him a smile and a nod anyway.

[Faldaguy]

Isn't that the solution I proposed? Every straight guy who wants to wear a skirt just needs to wear a skirt, regardless of what others think. And when someone asks their orientation/pronouns, they say unapologetically, "I'm just a straight guy who likes skirts."

It is precisely, but how many guys are willing to undergo the insults and slandering that come with the territory at the moment? I'm willing to bet that not a lot are.

Were that it so easy. We'd have had this licked by now!

Slandering and insults? I've not had any; nor has anyone asked my pronouns though I'm out and about every day in all the normal places, and a few that may not be, attired in skirts from drab to wildly colorful...quick mirror pic of today's wearing and still so while writing this in the attached link. A bit more 'out there' today -- bank, grocery, clinic, restaurant, short walk along some business fronts, mechanic -- nary a comment, albeit the bank guard clearly noticed more color than usual, but normal greetings and chatter. Comments I get are pretty much universally positive; and a number do broach things with something about a "kilt" so it appears the 'fear' is on their side, not ours! https://photos.app.goo.gl/oq2URw8zvKtBycaN8

[Coder]

It is precisely, but how many guys are willing to undergo the insults and slandering that come with the territory at the moment? I'm willing to bet that not a lot are.

Slandering and insults? I've not had any; nor has anyone asked my pronouns though I'm out and about every day in all the normal places, and a few that may not be, attired in skirts from drab to wildly colorful

Same for me. I do live in a liberal area - and there are still bigots out there - but I haven't experienced them. Just yesterday I got a (admittedly) rare compliment on my shoes - https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net/po ... abffb8.jpg (not a picture of my actual shoes).

[Midas]

Slandering and insults? Not had any at all and I wear a dress the vast majority of the time.

[crfriend]

Slandering and insults? Not had any at all and I wear a dress the vast majority of the time.

Every single time you're "misclassified" onto the SD Spectrum (LGBTQWTF) you get slandered and insulted. Every. Single. Time. (Unless you really are, in which case it doesn't matter. For 90+% of the population it does.)

[rode_kater]

Every single time you're "misclassified" onto the SD Spectrum (LGBTQWTF) you get slandered and insulted.

slander: make false and damaging statements

What people think in their thoughts is not relevant.

[crfriend]

What people think in their thoughts is not relevant.

Not once they're aired in public. Then it becomes slander (if verbal) or libel (if written) -- and NOT TRUE. Be careful of what one says, or writes. Categorical errors have a habit of biting later in life.