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Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:58 pm
by crfriend
just_me wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:21 pmThinking the other way, it could be an enlighting experience for the upskirting person to wear a skirt/kilt to get the victim's perspective.
I don't think that the sort of individual that would engage in such a behaviour would understand enough to properly process such a result. We're not dealing with the "top of the food chain" type here. Give 'em six months in the House of Correction for the first offence and double that for each successive one.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:40 pm
by Grok
rivegauche wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:57 am
A pub in Inverness where the waiters wore kilts has had to convert to trousers because of the constant kilt lifting by women. I suppose it isn't good business to prosecute your customers.
If MIS should gain traction, I suspect that we will see more such behavior.
There was never a rule forbidding females to lift the skirts of males. Not needed, with males being trapped in trousers.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 6:39 pm
by jamie001
Can we please stop using the word “gender”? Gender and biological sex are entirely two different distinct things. The word to use in the title for this post is “biological sex”.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:06 pm
by STEVIE
Post by skirtyscot » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:37 pm
Mods! MODS!! Lock this thread at once! It's bound to be highly divisive and it will end with the mother of all flame wars!
Even more so now!
Steve
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:00 pm
by Uncle Al
jamie001 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 6:39 pm
Can we please stop using the word “gender”? Gender and biological sex are entirely
two different distinct things. The word to use in the title for this post is “biological sex”.
Calm down Jamie001,
When this thread originated(2018), "Gender" wasn't thought about as much as it is today(2025).
Everyone new, or understood, what was meant.
It doesn't matter who the person is, it's the concept that 'up-skirting' is wrong.
Also, gender was a polite way of asking what the sex of a baby/child was(boy or girl) at birth.
At one time, telling people you had a 'gay' time at a party meant that you had a happy,
fun-filled time at the party. Now, 'gay'(in general) means something totally different.
(Add the letter 'e' to gay, capitalize the 'g', you have the first name Gaye.)
Please stop trying to conflate
idioms from the past into today's meanings.
You'll cause more problems(trouble) than you want to have.
Uncle Al
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:03 am
by shadowfax
Uncle Al wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:00 pm
jamie001 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 6:39 pm
Can we please stop using the word “gender”? Gender and biological sex are entirely
two different distinct things. The word to use in the title for this post is “biological sex”.
Calm down Jamie001,
When this thread originated(2018), "Gender" wasn't thought about as much as it is today(2025).
Everyone knew, or understood, what was meant.
It doesn't matter who the person is, it's the concept that 'up-skirting' is wrong.
Also, gender was a polite way of asking what the sex of a baby/child was(boy or girl) at birth.
At one time, telling people you had a 'gay' time at a party meant that you had a happy,
fun-filled time at the party. Now, 'gay'(in general) means something totally different.
(Add the letter 'e' to gay, capitalize the 'g', you have the first name Gaye.)
Please stop trying to conflate
idioms from the past into today's meanings.
You'll cause more problems(trouble) than you want to have.
Uncle Al
I agree with Uncle Al.
In addition, back in 2018, there was a character limit on the length of a post's title. So as the starter of the thread, I could not have made the title,
"Upskirting - Should the biological sex of the wearer matter?" as that would have exceeded the character limit!
One can see that the title of the second post in the thread, got truncated automatically to,
"Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the wearer matte" due to the character limit for a post's title back then.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:42 am
by denimini
I think that gender is the correct term as it is how people portray themselves in public, regardless of whether it reflects their sex as in most cases.. We might never know a person's sex ................ Although upskirting might reveal such persoal information and another reason why it is not acceptable for anyone.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:03 pm
by Modoc
If the question was, "Should the identity of the person wearing the skirt matter?" Then, issues of gender wouldn't factor into the resolution.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:48 pm
by Sepchugang
I actually wonder if the identity of the skirt matters any more than the person wearing it.
This thread lies under the main heading of "Advocacy & Mens Skirts "(sic - for lack of an apostrophe). I would rather the main heading was simply "Advocacy & Skirts". We have some lady members and I'm sure they sometimes wear skirts and the skirts I wear are my skirts although some do have a label in them along the lines of "women's wear". Many of us probably wear skirts that were initially being sold and intended for women. Surely a skirt is just a garment so why use the term Men's skirts?
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:35 pm
by Ozdelights
Sepchugang wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:48 pm
This thread lies under the main heading of "Advocacy & Mens Skirts "(
sic - for lack of an apostrophe). I would rather the main heading was simply "Advocacy & Skirts". We have some lady members and I'm sure they sometimes wear skirts and the skirts I wear are
my skirts although some do have a label in them along the lines of "women's wear". Many of us probably wear skirts that were initially being sold and intended for women. Surely a skirt is just a garment so why use the term Men's skirts?
My understanding is that the cafe is supporting/promoting the wearing of skirts by men. I think 'Advocacy & Mens Skirts' refers not to skirts for men but the skirts (not mens or womens) that a man owns and chooses to wear. The plural of a man's skirts as opposed to skirts for men.
But I am impressed by the ladies who share this forum, thank you so much.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 8:11 pm
by moonshadow
I think we're splitting hairs here.
Gender.... sex...either way, looking up someone's skirt is inappropriate.
Re: Upskirting - Should the gender of the skirt wearer matter?
Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:03 pm
by Susie
Proud / sad to say it doesn't matter who is wearing the skirt and who is taking the picture it has been an offence here in Scotland since 2009 and I have seen every combination being prosecuted successfully.
So no, it doesn't matter - and to think my mum was worried about me wearing patent shiny shoes as a child in case you could see up my skirt, at least it wasn't pictures that could go all round the world in an instance.