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moonshadow wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:57 pm
You tend to get to a point where you have nothing left to prove, at that point, you wear a skirt because you truly want to, not because you have to prove it to yourself that you can.

It's not even about safety anymore... sometimes I just don't feel like wearing a skirt.... sometimes I do.

I wear what I want.

This is the healthiest and safest approach.

crfriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:16 am I feel this particularly keenly this evening as I quite deliberately dressed in "male drag" to show a woman who might have been a potential romantic link what I "look like" in "conventional attire". This is someone who pretty much admitted to me that she could never accept me into her heart because of the way I dress. So, I walked past her (she was flirting with someone else) to get a look at the weather outside (it looked pretty nasty) and back again. She was agog with the vision, and so what. If she can;t accept me for how I dress then my skirts served admirably as a Bozo filter.

And that's the key here, we are all more than our clothes, if a woman or friend can't see through the clothes and love us for what's inside, under the clothing then they have no business caring for our heart.

This applies to friends too, and though Liz has always accepted me as the person I am, I've had friends over the years have to shove off because they couldnt change me, and I'm perfectly okay with this.

I change for nobody.

moonshadow wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:46 am

crfriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:16 am I feel this particularly keenly this evening as I quite deliberately dressed in "male drag" to show a woman who might have been a potential romantic link what I "look like" in "conventional attire". This is someone who pretty much admitted to me that she could never accept me into her heart because of the way I dress. So, I walked past her (she was flirting with someone else) to get a look at the weather outside (it looked pretty nasty) and back again. She was agog with the vision, and so what. If she can;t accept me for how I dress then my skirts served admirably as a Bozo filter.

And that's the key here, we are all more than our clothes, if a woman or friend can't see through the clothes and love us for what's inside, under the clothing then they have no business caring for our heart.

This applies to friends too, and though Liz has always accepted me as the person I am, I've had friends over the years have to shove off because they couldnt change me, and I'm perfectly okay with this.

I change for nobody.

Moon is again correct. Words to live by!

Grok wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:40 amI wonder if other modes of expression might serve as Bozo Filters. Jewelry. Nail polish. Long hair.

Considering that I push all those buttons at once it's no surprise whatsoever that I'm alone.

crfriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:08 pm

Grok wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:40 amI wonder if other modes of expression might serve as Bozo Filters. Jewelry. Nail polish. Long hair.

Considering that I push all those buttons at once it's no surprise whatsoever that I'm alone.

crfriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:08 pm

Grok wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:40 amI wonder if other modes of expression might serve as Bozo Filters. Jewelry. Nail polish. Long hair.

Considering that I push all those buttons at once it's no surprise whatsoever that I'm alone.

Congratulations on being yourself.

jamie001 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:01 pmCongratulations on being yourself.

It's a lonely flight, and I'm expecting it to be a solo one until the inevitable "into terrain" happens. Controlled or uncontrolled is anybody's guess.

crfriend wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:08 pm

Grok wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:40 amI wonder if other modes of expression might serve as Bozo Filters. Jewelry. Nail polish. Long hair.

Considering that I push all those buttons at once it's no surprise whatsoever that I'm alone.

I can comment about hair. I was born in 1956. I remember (if dimly) the appearance of The Beatles on the world stage. I remember the late 1960s; when men wore their hair long, the opposition was generational, rather than based on gender. So, yes, if long hair on young men becomes fashionable, these young men will be acceptable to young ladies.

If a young man chooses to wear his hair long, he has the option of wearing it in a pony tail. Aesthetically, this looks okay on a man.

BTW, if you look far enough back in time, it appears that facial hair is subject to fashion.

We all have our motivations regarding skirts.

I mostly wear trousers. That's because they are convenient and generally comfortable. I don't want to wear skirts all the time or even most of the time - trousers are fine. What I do want, however, is the prerogative to wear something else for a change, should I wish to do so. If I fancy a change from trousers when going shopping, visiting the library or a museum, talking a stroll in the park or a meal in a restaurant, then why am I denied (by convention) the same right as my wife enjoys to decide to slip on a skirt?

For me, this is a men's rights issue. Women wanted and they have almost completely secured equality. In the case of male fashion, men and boys have not and I hope we will change that.

I agree with Stu. Most of the time I don't wear skirts (I always conform at work), but I like to have the option of wearing skirts.

Stu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:06 pm
For me, this is a men's rights issue. Women wanted and they have almost completely secured equality. In the case of male fashion, men and boys have not and I hope we will change that.

Stu,

I not sure that you statement is 100 percent correct. IMHO, women are paid lip service, but there is no real equality. If you want proof, just look at the salaries that are paid to women for the exact same position and the exact same job that a man is performing. You will find that women are still paid about 82 percent of what a man is paid.

In the USA, we live in a patriarchy and they have all of the power. It is the reason that women aspire to be more masculine and wear men's clothing, and it is also the reason that men attempting to appear more feminine by wearing women's clothing face so much opposition.

It is the sad truth.

BTW, some of the more elaborate ponytail holders can be described as jewelry.

Personally, I have never had a particular interest in growing my hair long. I ignore my hair until it gets shaggy, and then I get a haircut.

But I like the idea of mens options for personal expression expanding in general.

Regarding a short window of opportunity....

It might well be that a design or two becomes borderline, rather than mainstream. That is, other males regard it as okay for a man to wear that particular type of skirt, and some women also regard it as okay (without loving it).

Grok wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:54 pm Regarding a short window of opportunity....

It might well be that a design or two becomes borderline, rather than mainstream. That is, other males regard it as okay for a man to wear that particular type of skirt, and some women also regard it as okay (without loving it).

Me thinks that sports figures (athletes) would need to start wearing skirts for it to catch on, and I don't mean just one rogue athlete. Look at earrings for men. Football players in America especially African America almost all wear them. Earrings caught on for African American men, but not for most caucasians. Women still have mixed opinions on men wearing earrings and some of women won't date men wearing earrings.

Could be. Or instead of wearing a skirt, as such, wearing a skort. Making the appearance of a skirt fashionable.

jamie001 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:33 pm

Stu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:06 pm
For me, this is a men's rights issue. Women wanted and they have almost completely secured equality. In the case of male fashion, men and boys have not and I hope we will change that.

Stu,

I not sure that you statement is 100 percent correct. IMHO, women are paid lip service, but there is no real equality. If you want proof, just look at the salaries that are paid to women for the exact same position and the exact same job that a man is performing. You will find that women are still paid about 82 percent of what a man is paid.

In the USA, we live in a patriarchy and they have all of the power. It is the reason that women aspire to be more masculine and wear men's clothing, and it is also the reason that men attempting to appear more feminine by wearing women's clothing face so much opposition.

It is the sad truth.

Jamie - I have looked at the salaries women are paid for the same work, and there is virtually nothing in it when you take into account all the factors. Don't believe me? Here is a feminist professor who has analysed the stats. You are repeating a myth.

There is no patriarchy in the US or here in the UK. Women have all the same rights as men - but often they make different life choices and that can mean fewer of them end up in the highest jobs. I repeat: this relates to choices they have made rather than some conspiracy by men to keep them out. The idea that women wear men's clothing to appear masculine is ridiculous. Females have appropriated what you might regard as male styles of clothing because they are more practical for most purposes and, in doing so, they have claimed them as their own.