Trans Clothing Exchanges and NC Gender Bigotry

[Caultron]

I'll use a single occupancy women's room if the mens room is tied up and I have to go real bad. Im not going to wet my pants (or skirt) or damage my kidneys for the likes of society.

Ive never used a multi occupant women's room.

Ironically, I would feel more uncomfortable wearing a skirt in a single occupancy womens room because I would think onlookers would think Im doing the whole transgender thing and make a big scene when all I want to do is pee!

At least in trousers the onlookers might just chuckle saying "humph well... when ya gotta go!"

Pfew! For a minute there you had me going, so to speak.

As to single occupancy washrooms, I always wondered why not make them unisex and let whoever's in line take the first available? I've seen that, but rarely.

Oh well, maybe in some parallel universe...

[moonshadow]

Ive never used a multi occupant women's room.
Ironically, I would feel more uncomfortable wearing a skirt in a single occupancy womens room because I would think onlookers would think Im doing the whole transgender thing and make a big scene when all I want to do is pee!
At least in trousers the onlookers might just chuckle saying "humph well... when ya gotta go!"

When you talk about single occupancy rest room are you talking about the ones that are marked for family and handicapped??? Or are you talking about some other type of single occupancy rest room??

What I'm talking about is common in small gas stations and little sandwich shops. As in, two rooms, one men's one women's. You walk in, lock the door behind you, there's one toilet, and one sink, and for more often than not, one of those awful air hand dryers. In that case, if the men's room is occupied, I've been known to use the women's if I really have to pee bad.

Now the restroom than you are talking about Fred, I've also seen. Those are normally in larger shopping centers where there may be a larger men's multi occupant room, and a women's multi occupant room. Often times, more modern businesses have a single occupancy room for families, or handicapped. Actually THOSE would be the perfect restrooms for transgender people to use, and they are becoming more common.

Smaller washrooms like what I described at the beginning of my comment shouldn't matter transgender or no, because they are all single occupancy anyway...

[dillon]

The restrooms in our local gym are that way. There are two identical "one-holers"; neither are labeled by sex. But even multiple user restrooms are relatively immune from the pretenses made in the NC law, since virtually all such bathrooms have privacy stalls with latching doors. So, sensitive women are essentially safe from the eyes of pre-op MTF transgendered people. That means that the most credible risk of alt-genital exposure in a restroom would be to sensitive men from pre-op FTM trans people attempting to use urinals. Not to seem prurient, but I'd be curious to see how that would be accomplished.

Additionally, have you ever studied restroom lines in public event spaces? Women have to wait in inordinately long lines, presumably because they either need to go more frequently or their restroom operations take longer. (Or perhaps they exercise better sanitation standards than men, like actually using soap.) Why should they not be able to also use the men's restrooms, which have far shorter and faster-moving lines?

[Fred in Skirts]

Additionally, have you ever studied restroom lines in public event spaces? Women have to wait in inordinately long lines, presumably because they either need to go more frequently or their restroom operations take longer. (Or perhaps they exercise better sanitation standards than men, like actually using soap.) Why should they not be able to also use the men's restrooms, which have far shorter and faster-moving lines?

Men can be quicker since they can stand and pee in a urinal, wash and leave. Women on the other-hand need to remove all of the layers of clothing and then sit, Then they must reset everything back to being extremely presentable, All of that takes far more time. Plus there are fewer places to do ones business in a woman's restroom. In a men's room you might have 3 stalls and 3 or 4 urinals, in a womans right next door there will be only 4 stalls for all of the ladies to use. And another thing is the sanitation of the room it self, women will spend about 5 minutes or so cleaning the stall so that they feel safe enough to sit.

I myself carry a ziplock bag with sanitary wipes to clean the seat where some less the human has urinated all over it.

Fred

[renesm1]

This is an interesting story. Be careful how you read the first couple of paragraphs as you may come to some wrong conclusions!!!

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/ ... eplicated/

At the crux of the matter is that if you talk about how someone themselves has been judged negatively, this will help them empathise with others who have been negatively judged.

I guess what I'm saying here is that if you come up against negativity over your skirt wearing, ask them about when people have been negatively judgemental about themselves. This could possibly help win them over. Then again maybe not. Try it anyway - I'd be interested to see the outcome!

[Fred in Skirts]

Received this from someone who does not know I wear skirts and was commenting on the current stupidity going on in many state legislatures.

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I think it hits the jackpot.

Fred
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[Kilty]

Additionally, have you ever studied restroom lines in public event spaces? Women have to wait in inordinately long lines, presumably because they either need to go more frequently or their restroom operations take longer. (Or perhaps they exercise better sanitation standards than men, like actually using soap.) Why should they not be able to also use the men's restrooms, which have far shorter and faster-moving lines?

Men can be quicker since they can stand and pee in a urinal, wash and leave. Women on the other-hand need to remove all of the layers of clothing and then sit, Then they must reset everything back to being extremely presentable, All of that takes far more time. Plus there are fewer places to do ones business in a woman's restroom. In a men's room you might have 3 stalls and 3 or 4 urinals, in a womans right next door there will be only 4 stalls for all of the ladies to use. And another thing is the sanitation of the room it self, women will spend about 5 minutes or so cleaning the stall so that they feel safe enough to sit.

I myself carry a ziplock bag with sanitary wipes to clean the seat where some less the human has urinated all over it.

Fred

As the girls rhyme goes:- "If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be a sweetie wipe the seatie" ... not to go into female anatomy too much but one girl's urine stream may not be as, er, direct as the next. It seems common that most "hover" above the seat and not sit directly on it (common in public loos) hence the unfortunate issue with wet seats.

Obviously for guys its just someone too lazy to lift the seat before taking a whiz...

Very few women would take 5 mins to clean a toilet unless she's a cleaning lady in the Hilton or something when you've gotta go, you've gotta go In most cases they are wearing more or less what most of us skirted gents would wear, which doesn't take long to pull your skirt up to your waist, pull knickers down, answer the call of nature, then pull your skirt back down after checking all is in order and leave to wash your hands...

Standing to pee in a skirt doesn't feel right so I always use a stall. Urinals are fine when one is wearing trousers

[Caultron]

...Additionally, have you ever studied restroom lines in public event spaces? Women have to wait in inordinately long lines, presumably because they either need to go more frequently or their restroom operations take longer. (Or perhaps they exercise better sanitation standards than men, like actually using soap.) Why should they not be able to also use the men's restrooms, which have far shorter and faster-moving lines?

Modern convention centers and arenas generally hit on the correct number of women's stalls, men's stalls, and urinals and so the lines for each stay about even.

The breakdown of the attendees can, of course, still make a difference. I was once at a software development conference where over 90% of the attendees were men. The line to the men's room was long, the line to the women's room was non-existent, and the women were loving it.

Women can pee standing up, although not so conveniently as men. One technique involves the use of a specially-shaped funnel in exactly the way you'd expect. The other involves holding back the lips and then starting and stopping the flow sharply. The shower is a good place to practice this. But these techniques are more often used outdoors (as when hiking or hunting) than indoors.

I don't find pulling up the front of my skirt and pulling down my tights and briefs any less convenient than threading myself through flies in my briefs and pants. Pulling up tights after a sitting episode is an extra task, but not having to unbelt, unzip, zip, and belt saves a task, so I rate the convenience about even.

I have no compunctions about standing skirted at a urinal unless my skirt is short and tight enough that pulling up the front enough pulls the back up too far. So in those situations I use a stall.

This is getting to be a weird thread, eh?

[dillon]

I have yet to find a woman who would actually consider carrying around a "Lady Jane", even camping or hiking. Some aversion to it; idk why carrying a pee funnel would seem somehow not ladylike...

I also use urinals, usually, when skirted, but whichever, I pee standing.

And, no, not weird at all... Why would you think that? ~washes hands after posting here~

[Caultron]

I have yet to find a woman who would actually consider carrying around a "Lady Jane", even camping or hiking. Some aversion to it; idk why carrying a pee funnel would seem somehow not ladylike...

I'm certainly no eyewitness expert but it does seem these aren't popular.

Then again, it might take only a single incident of pissing on your boots while squatting to make a "Lady Jane" seem attractive.

...I also use urinals, usually, when skirted, but whichever, I pee standing...

As you say.

...And, no, not weird at all... Why would you think that? ~washes hands after posting here~

Maybe we're all, by virtue of hanging out here, overexposed and deadened to weird. Like, for us, weird is the new normal. How odd.

[skirted_in_SF]

I have yet to find a woman who would actually consider carrying around a "Lady Jane", even camping or hiking. Some aversion to it; idk why carrying a pee funnel would seem somehow not ladylike...

I can remember, about 25 or more years ago, ads for women's funnels on the sides of buses here in San Francisco. Guess that is one product that didn't take off.

[Caultron]

I can remember, about 25 or more years ago, ads for women's funnels on the sides of buses here in San Francisco. Guess that is one product that didn't take off.

Well, yeah, who would use a funnel on the side of a bus?

At least go behind a dumpster in some alley...

[moonshadow]

Well, since we're talking about peeing....

If it's a simple knee length (or higher) skirt, I will gladly to the urinal and lift the hem, and go that way. Some of my longer "full" skirts, I find that I struggle to keep various parts of the skirt out of the way of the stream. It can be done, as I do it, but it's awkward, and I don't like fumbling around in front of people, so if it's a longer full skirt I'll go to the stall.

Some skirts you can just lower the waist down and go, but again you have to watch for splatter on the skirt. It gets REALLY complicated when I'm wearing tights or leggings, and about two or three skirts at the same time (during REALLY COLD weather). My tights go all the way up to my waist, often above the navel, higher than the skirt usually. Since there is no "fly" opening, it can make it an interesting task get everything situated.

Yes.... this is the "dark side" of male skirt wearing.... I've had many trials and error's in the restroom.

Never have tried number 2 with a skirt on, other than at home, and then I just removed the skirt all together. I've often wondered... do women lift the skirt to poo, or do they pull the waist down? Neither seems particularly sanitary on the skirt. With the former, the skirt would drape over the commode, with the latter it would be balled up in the nasty public restroom floor. I suppose women peeing would be the same method...

.... I should just ask one one day.

Hey don't snicker! *OUR* mothers never taught us this stuff!

[Elisabetta]

Well, since we're talking about peeing....

If it's a simple knee length (or higher) skirt, I will gladly to the urinal and lift the hem, and go that way. Some of my longer "full" skirts, I find that I struggle to keep various parts of the skirt out of the way of the stream. It can be done, as I do it, but it's awkward, and I don't like fumbling around in front of people, so if it's a longer full skirt I'll go to the stall.

Some skirts you can just lower the waist down and go, but again you have to watch for splatter on the skirt. It gets REALLY complicated when I'm wearing tights or leggings, and about two or three skirts at the same time (during REALLY COLD weather). My tights go all the way up to my waist, often above the navel, higher than the skirt usually. Since there is no "fly" opening, it can make it an interesting task get everything situated.

Yes.... this is the "dark side" of male skirt wearing.... I've had many trials and error's in the restroom.

Never have tried number 2 with a skirt on, other than at home, and then I just removed the skirt all together. I've often wondered... do women lift the skirt to poo, or do they pull the waist down? Neither seems particularly sanitary on the skirt. With the former, the skirt would drape over the commode, with the latter it would be balled up in the nasty public restroom floor. I suppose women peeing would be the same method...

.... I should just ask one one day.

Hey don't snicker! *OUR* mothers never taught us this stuff!

We raise the skirts to poo and pee. Some pull them down

[Fred in Skirts]

Never have tried number 2 with a skirt on, other than at home, and then I just removed the skirt all together. I've often wondered... do women lift the skirt to poo, or do they pull the waist down? Neither seems particularly sanitary on the skirt. With the former, the skirt would drape over the commode, with the latter it would be balled up in the nasty public restroom floor. I suppose women peeing would be the same method...
.... I should just ask one one day.
Hey don't snicker! *OUR* mothers never taught us this stuff!

I have had to poo in a public rest room while skirted and all I did was pull the hem of the skirt all the way up to my waist. I was wearing a denim skirt and so it was fairly easy to keep it up. Still not fun.

Why not just ask Jenn

Fred