Mississipi School Discriminate Transgender Girl

[GoSkirtGo]

What you have just said MB is key to the problem. Women and girls have been accepted as being able to anything men and boys can. It is not the same for men and boys and It is all enforced in a authoritarian manner

Indeed, note that ALL of the trans bans in sports ONLY apply to transgender women/girls that play on female sports. The laws are specifically worded this way.

If you are a biological female you are encouraged to play on either side. In fact, not long ago I read an upbeat news article about a teenage cisgender girl "living her dreams" playing on a boys football team.

I'm not saying trans girls should play on girls teams nor vice versa, but this double standard kinda bugs me. Just another example of vagina privilege. If they're going to enforce this segregation based on sex THEN IT SHOULD APPLY TO BOTH SEXES!

Freedom for all or freedom for none... no special treatment!

Unlike clothing there IS a biological reason for the "double standard" when it comes to sports. When someone who has gone through a testosterone-based puberty plays on a sports team designed for those who haven't, the physical risk is on the girls/women who did not have a choice about a "male-bodied" individual playing against them/on their team. When someone who has not gone through a testosterone-based puberty plays on a sports team designed for those who are/have, the risk is on the gender-non-conforming individual themself.

In fact, laws that have this "double standard" with sports team participation are IMO more likely to survive judicial scrutiny than those that mandate that ALL trans people be treated as their "biological sex" for determining which team(s) they can play on (in the US at least, precedent allows courts to take biological differences into account when sex-based classifications are being challenged). With the latter, an AFAB individual who is on testosterone, like someone who was AMAB and went through a normal male puberty, would have the same type of issues playing on a girl's/women's team, defeating the "intent" of the law. (The latter type of law is pure transphobia, while the former addresses the biological issues with cross-sex sports team participation without being overly broad.)

[Layne]

I aim to be respectful and to always "treat people how I'd want to be treated".

Very well said - especially that last part.

[Barleymower]

One thing I hold publicly is that "sex" is absolute, and can easily be scientifically measured and determined. "Gender" seems more in line with philosophy, and thus puts it more in the neighborhood of religion. Thus I don't argue with people about my own gender identity for much the same reason I don't argue about religion.

I see things a little differently and that does mean that anyone else's truth is less valid.

Life cannot be measured and nobody knows what it really is. It is the only thing that matters. The rest is just water and rocks. Without life, what is left if just a body, one that is repidly returning to the ground.

If the body is just a thing, it must mean the person inside is the bit that matters. If that person's says their gender does not match the external body, then we, the ones lucky enough to have the right match should help them. We may not be able to do much but maybe we can do something to make them feel better about themselves. We should not dispise them and make their painfull lives difficult.

[moonshadow]

If that person's says their gender does not match the external body, then we, the ones lucky enough to have the right match should help them. We may not be able to do much but maybe we can do something to make them feel better about themselves. We should not dispise them and make their painfull lives difficult.

Well, I now live in an area where there seems to be plenty of trans-people, and I basically just treat them like everyone else.

Quite a few guys at work complain about it. I just play the old "it's none of my business" card....

And the above sentiment rings true... I honestly don't care what people do with their lives. I went from seeing Klan rallies in Appalachia to PRIDE events in Seattle... everybody does their thing and I'm not here to stand in anyone's way.

[Myopic Bookworm]

Ha! Well, having a scientist in the membership roster never hurt!

Dress like you like (I do).

I can get behind this, and in fact, I pretty much live by this already. There are aspects to my own "gender identity" that I don't wear on my sleeve mainly for this reason... I don't feel like spending every waking minute of my life arguing with people.

One thing I hold publicly is that "sex" is absolute, and can easily be scientifically measured and determined. "Gender" seems more in line with philosophy, and thus puts it more in the neighborhood of religion. Thus I don't argue with people about my own gender identity for much the same reason I don't argue about religion. ... Many people do indeed consider sex and gender to be one and the same. I just don't.... and that's my right.

I can't claim to be a practising scientist, but I do have a degree in biology. This enables me to distinguish between sex (which is a matter of biology) and gender (which is a matter of social anthropology). Sex in humans and other mammals is generally binary. Gender has traditionally been binary in most European and Semitic societies, but such societies do not have a good record in recognizing that other societies may do things differently, and that societal standards are not absolutes.

I hope that my wearing a wider range of clothing as a cisgender man will encourage boys to think that they can express themselves any way they want to without having to declare themselves "trans". I think gender dysphoria is a thing, but perhaps not as common as it might appear (though the comparison with left-handedness is telling: it used to be beaten out of people at school, so it appeared rarer than it really was). I think some young people actually have adolescence dysphoria, which they interpret in terms of gender, in accord with the zeitgeist. I regret the spread of the meaningless term "trans", as it blurs the line between those deeply dissatisfied with gender stereotypes (non-conformist/non-binary in gender) and those actually identifying with the other sex (transsexual). (Perhaps the term "transsexual" has become disfavoured because of a misleading association with other words ending in "-sexual".) And the issue is no doubt much more complex than the sloganeers would have us think: like "autistic", the label "transgender" covers a number of quite disparate things.

[Mouse]

I hope that my wearing a wider range of clothing as a cisgender man will encourage boys to think that they can express themselves any way they want to without having to declare themselves "trans"..

I see this as one of my roles in life to show that you do not need to follow a medical route, just to wear a particular set of clothes. Obviously people who transition don't do it just for the clothes but have many and varied reasons.

[jamie001]

One thing I hold publicly is that "sex" is absolute, and can easily be scientifically measured and determined. "Gender" seems more in line with philosophy, and thus puts it more in the neighborhood of religion. Thus I don't argue with people about my own gender identity for much the same reason I don't argue about religion.

i agree with this concept and very much dislike when folks use the words gender and sex interchangeably because they are not the same thing. I remember years ago, the word gender was not used on employment applications. The word sex which was correct was always used back then. Why didwe go from correct to incorrect? Gender is a social construct only. Biological sex is a scientific concept that cannot be refuted.

[Barleymower]

I hope that my wearing a wider range of clothing as a cisgender man will encourage boys to think that they can express themselves any way they want to without having to declare themselves "trans"..

I see this as one of my roles in life to show that you do not need to follow a medical route, just to wear a particular set of clothes. Obviously people who transition don't do it just for the clothes but have many and varied reasons.

I think a truly Trans Women would probably wear leggings because that's what women wear. Being a women would overide any clothing desires. It's a big distinction.

[crfriend]

I think a truly Trans Women would probably wear leggings because that's what women wear. Being a women would overide any clothing desires. It's a big distinction.

This is the way it's shaken out with the sole "trans-woman" I know. Most of the time it's a look of shredded denim, "leggings", skinny jeans, and once in a while something actually nice which I will usually comment on. Credit, after all, where credit is due.

But, yes, "modern dreck" seems to be the "look" of the trans-* types even though the sky is the limit for them. They just never utilise that option. Like real women.

[jamie001]

I hope that my wearing a wider range of clothing as a cisgender man will encourage boys to think that they can express themselves any way they want to without having to declare themselves "trans"..

I see this as one of my roles in life to show that you do not need to follow a medical route, just to wear a particular set of clothes. Obviously people who transition don't do it just for the clothes but have many and varied reasons.

Mouse, I am totally behind this concept. I show everyone that I can be a feminine male and there is no need to transition. I hope that I am inspiring other biological males to wear what they want to wear and express themselves in a manner sucn that they feel complete.

[rode_kater]

remember years ago, the word gender was not used on employment applications. The word sex which was correct was always used back then

The real question is: why do you need to state either gender or sex? Outside a few specialised jobs, it doesn't matter, so why is the question there at all?

Here companies are not allowed to record gender because it's not relevant to the job (just like they're not allowed to record religion, race, colour or any other not-relevant characteristic). But our UK parent company wants to record it for statistics (some legally mandated). Leads to endless discussions.

[STEVIE]

But our UK parent company wants to record it for statistics (some legally mandated). Leads to endless discussions.

Is there not a "Prefer Not To Say" option RK?
I'd have also thought that they could never use the data in any way which could be judged to be discriminatory.
Steve

[Mouse]

But our UK parent company wants to record it for statistics (some legally mandated). Leads to endless discussions.

Is there not a "Prefer Not To Say" option RK?
I'd have also thought that they could never use the data in any way which could be judged to be discriminatory.
Steve

I presume it is something to do with the UK drive to equal opportunities. UK companies have to report how they are doing as a ratio between male and female employees. So to do this they would have to ask each employee their sex. My company is perfect, since it is only me and the wife in it. To be fair I think you have to have a certain number of employees before you have to report your employment ratio.

[rode_kater]

But our UK parent company wants to record it for statistics (some legally mandated). Leads to endless discussions.

Is there not a "Prefer Not To Say" option RK?

There is, but apparently people have had issues with HR filling in the field for them "because it helps the statistics". They'd really like for people to fill in "trans" because it looks good on the stats, but most trans people don't think it's any of HR's business to know. Part of the issue is that Corp wants to issue global policies, but stuff like this can't be global and that irritates them. We have a Works Council however that has to approve all global policies and can push back on this sort of crap (and in theory has the legal powers to enforce this).

I'd have also thought that they could never use the data in any way which could be judged to be discriminatory.

This is a WW2 relic. Before that the population registration tracked religion for statistics purposes only. It gave the Nazis a nice list of people to round up. So now it's the other way round: unless you can definitively demonstrate a need to know, you don't need to know. If international passport regulations didn't require the sex/gender in the passport they would probably stop registering that too. You can't misuse information you don't know.

The UK was on the other side of the war, so didn't have the same experience.