men in skirts t shirt idea

[jamie001]

All humour aside, fashion freedom for men has little to do with catchy slogans on tee shirts.
The most powerful message that can be sent is practicing what you preach.
Sometimes the only way is defiance and sacrifice.
No pain no gain and no one will help us if we can't help ourselves.
Steve.

Amen Stevie!! Thank you.

[Barleymower]

All humour aside, fashion freedom for men has little to do with catchy slogans on tee shirts.
The most powerful message that can be sent is practicing what you preach.
Sometimes the only way is defiance and sacrifice.
No pain no gain and no one will help us if we can't help ourselves.
Steve.

Amen Stevie!! Thank you.

The view must be great up on your high horse. How many men have you personally persuaded to take up the cause? I expect they are somewhere in this group where are they?
I think it was Chip who started the whole sticker, motive tee shirt thing and web page. At least he's trying. Try anything to get the word out there. If you do that then maybe one day you hit a nerve and the movement will take off.
I agree with going out there and be yourself but dont **** on somebody's ideas to promote the movement. If you think it's rubbish then come up something better. Lobby a govenment, organise a march. Start a ribbom skirt group. Do something and stop complaining about others efforts as a waste of time.

[DrFishnets]

But why? You can't control how other people perceive you anyway. It doesn't matter.

This was an example for men to save having to wear a t shirt with reasons for wearing skirt written on it.

Personally, I don’t give a damn if anyone views me as trans or gay for wearing skirts, dresses and tights. I feel good and comfortable wearing such clothes and that’s all that matters. Screw what other people think. The old saying is never judge a book by its cover. Unfortunately this saying comes into play when men wear what is perceived feminine clothing by the general public.

[crfriend]

You can't control how other people perceive you anyway. It doesn't matter.

Precisely. However, some of us dwell in 3rd World holes where just looking different can potentially get you disappeared to some worse 3rd World hole -- thus some of us have just reverted to "protective colouration" so we don't get hassled by the local Gestapo. It's called "self-preservation".

[Coder]

People make assumptions, I think a motive tee shirt would help some understand and some men to make the leap. I dont need to wear motive tee shirt and neither do you. But we are not everyone, some need a little help. Something to catch the eye and make the onlooker think differently.

I certainly didn't mean to be so dismissive - I think for a message t-shirt, the message has to be widespread, dare I say viral, for it to have impact. Think of some campaigns in the past which everyone probably has seen:

Got milk
Pink ribbons
Various flags (whether you agree with them or not)
Intel Inside
Just Do It

These sorts of things are bankrolled by either massive financial sources or massive massive grassroots activism. MIS is just too niche to really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Make a shirt - wear it - be proud of your contribution to MIS - but my personal belief is that a t-shirt campaign would amount to nothing unless big clothing was behind it and they were pushing it in all channels of the media.

[Barleymower]

People make assumptions, I think a motive tee shirt would help some understand and some men to make the leap. I dont need to wear motive tee shirt and neither do you. But we are not everyone, some need a little help. Something to catch the eye and make the onlooker think differently.

I certainly didn't mean to be so dismissive - I think for a message t-shirt, the message has to be widespread, dare I say viral, for it to have impact. Think of some campaigns in the past which everyone probably has seen:

Got milk
Pink ribbons
Various flags (whether you agree with them or not)
Intel Inside
Just Do It

These sorts of things are bankrolled by either massive financial sources or massive massive grassroots activism. MIS is just too niche to really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Make a shirt - wear it - be proud of your contribution to MIS - but my personal belief is that a t-shirt campaign would amount to nothing unless big clothing was behind it and they were pushing it in all channels of the media.

I think it's too easy to be dismissive, for all of us. MIS is very niche and depending where you live can land you in hot water. We are also not consistent. One MIS might just wear a kilt on stag do for a laugh another dress practically full fem all the time. It's a broad spectrum. This makes us vulnerable and open to labelling by those who probably have issues they cannot deal with and end up lashing out.

We see the big campaigns and think "How can I compete with that?". We are getting to the point where we feel incapable of doing anything because it's all swallowed up by corporations. I see guys out there like Chip and getting dressed with Brad and think "Good on you". If what you say is true, why do they bother? A question perhaps for them to answer.

[Coder]

I see guys out there like Chip and getting dressed with Brad and think "Good on you". If what you say is true, why do they bother? A question perhaps for them to answer.

I see Brad's activism as important (not sure who Chip is) - and I think social media is where the war must be fought. I'm simply saying that a lone t-shirt with a quirky message might be nice individually - I don't see it having broad social impact.

[Barleymower]

I see guys out there like Chip and getting dressed with Brad and think "Good on you". If what you say is true, why do they bother? A question perhaps for them to answer.

I see Brad's activism as important (not sure who Chip is) - and I think social media is where the war must be fought. I'm simply saying that a lone t-shirt with a quirky message might be nice individually - I don't see it having broad social impact.

We could debate this endlessly.
You might recognise this:

https://everybodyskirts.com/products/sticker-sheet

[jamie001]

I see guys out there like Chip and getting dressed with Brad and think "Good on you". If what you say is true, why do they bother? A question perhaps for them to answer.

I see Brad's activism as important (not sure who Chip is) - and I think social media is where the war must be fought. I'm simply saying that a lone t-shirt with a quirky message might be nice individually - I don't see it having broad social impact.

We could debate this endlessly.
You might recognise this:

https://everybodyskirts.com/products/sticker-sheet

The hairy legs on the sticker-sheet need to go. It does not promote our cause. Women that are ambivalent about my skirt wearing have told me that at least I have shaved legs and that is a good thing.

[Barleymower]

The hairy legs on the sticker-sheet need to go. It does not promote our cause. Women that are ambivalent about my skirt wearing have told me that at least I have shaved legs and that is a good thing.

If the women you spoke to you are complementary about your clothes then that's great.
When they say "at least" or "if nothing else" (used to add a positive comment about a generally negative situation). Then they are offering reluctant approval. They can keep their approval and I'll keep my hairy legs.

[crfriend]

I see Brad's activism as important (not sure who Chip is) - and I think social media is where the war must be fought. I'm simply saying that a lone t-shirt with a quirky message might be nice individually - I don't see it having broad social impact.

Bluntly, aside from cesspits like Farcebook and Twatter (or whatever it's called now), or have the "following" of assorted '"politicians" on the world stage', social media amounts to about what this place amounts it -- a support group for a select subset of the population. I'd rather steer clear of "mass media" attention right now.

Let's see if there's anything left in 4 years.

[Coder]

Bluntly, aside from cesspits like Farcebook and Twatter (or whatever it's called now), or have the "following" of assorted '"politicians" on the world stage', social media amounts to about what this place amounts it -- a support group for a select subset of the population. I'd rather steer clear of "mass media" attention right now.

They can be a force for good or evil - it's what you make of them and how you engage. Granted, they tend to be steaming piles of - well you know. But I do think the platforms CAN be wholesome if you use them in such a way. Sadly, well, platforms also incentivize engagement of the worst kind... though I don't know if that's down to the human condition or if companies engineer them to be that way - but I fear people have a streak in them that is not all that civil.

[mr seamstress]

I'm simply saying that a lone t-shirt with a quirky message might be nice individually - I don't see it having broad social impact.

The most important impact that we are expressing ourselves against all the hate that is expressed against us. We are not bottling up are feelings. This is important in keeping are mental health. Even if are slogan T-shirts doesn't persuade others to join MIS, it helps in keeping our own peace of mind and that is crucial.

[crfriend]

This is important in keeping are mental health. Even if are slogan T-shirts doesn't persuade others to join MIS, it helps in keeping are own peace of mind and that is crucial.

The best way to do that isn't with slogans plastered on a t-shirt or a sticker, but simply standing up, raising high the middle finger (or the Power fist), and OWNING the matter. The downside of that it that it exposes you to the Gestapo which can be very dangerous, depending on where you dwell -- and whether anybody in your community will be willing to go to bat for you if abducted/disappeared.

[Barleymower]

Bluntly, aside from cesspits like Farcebook and Twatter (or whatever it's called now), or have the "following" of assorted '"politicians" on the world stage', social media amounts to about what this place amounts it -- a support group for a select subset of the population. I'd rather steer clear of "mass media" attention right now.

They can be a force for good or evil - it's what you make of them and how you engage. Granted, they tend to be steaming piles of - well you know. But I do think the platforms CAN be wholesome if you use them in such a way. Sadly, well, platforms also incentivize engagement of the worst kind... though I don't know if that's down to the human condition or if companies engineer them to be that way - but I fear people have a streak in them that is not all that civil.

Antisocial media then