Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:I spent the last 2 hours writing a very long response to Carl and Tor and for some reason the Internet decided to vaporize it and kick me out of the Café. At 3 in the morning I'm not about to try to reconstruct what all I said. So here's the Reader's Digest version. It's probably a better read for it anyway.
If one is composing something that's very complex or highly detailed it's usually best to compose off-line, do your proofreading then, and once happy with it, copy/paste into the composition window, check for formatting problems, and then hit submit. If I'm writing anything that's going to take more than a few minutes that's what I do.
Sometimes, creative use of the browser "back button" can get you back to the page with your text still intact, at which time it can be copied into the "copy buffer" and subsequently "pasted" in once you've logged back in.
Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:Please reread your posts and mine.
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What I have said all along is that your posts read like there's a smoke-filled room God knows where full of unfathomably rich puppet-masters pulling the strings on everything. In addition, they are so clever they can put up strawman candidates and knock them down so precisely that the puppet masters get exactly what they want and the rest of us don't have a clue.
I fear we have been "talking
at each other" instead of "
with each other" -- which is a very common problem in on-line fora.
The full gist of my idea is that the level of wealth that the elites have confers power unto them that the general "working stiff" simply does not have access to. These individuals likely aren't in
active collusion, but because their interests are very much in common the
overall effect -- which is
observable -- is what becomes visible. I allude to the notion all the time that "the candidates are on the payroll" (or, to be slightly more crass, "have been bought") and that's also likely not the case, but any one of the candidates who voted against the desires of the wealthy would not hold a seat for very long. The
observable effect is that bills that appease the common interests of the elites always pass quietly whilst bills that appeal mainly to the general public get fought over and nothing seems to get done.
The above came out of a thought-experiment I started playing with back during the (first) Clinton administration (second term) when a common mantra was, "The system is broken". Nature, and humans, abhor things that are broken; humans actively fix things, and nature uses extinction as a powerful tool. The former is active, the second passive (nature has no will). So, with that in mind, I asked the question, "What happens if the system not only is
not broken, but is, in fact, working perfectly?" This led to an immediate secondary question of, "If the system is working perfectly, who is it working for?" This after some contemplation and further study (and a whopping big tax bill one year) pointed up the notion that the only individuals that the system was working for are the folks who are already fabulously
wealthy (There is a distinction here between "wealthy" and merely "filthy stinking rich"; "old money" vs. "nouveau riche" and all.) and have access to those who "hold power". The implication here is that those who "hold power" do so because they have benefactors willing to support them. This has a subsequent knock-on effect that the ones "holding power" quite naturally become beholden to the benefactors, naturally wanting to hold onto that position, and (possibly) subconsciously "looking after" the benefactors' interests. So, conspiracy is not required;
collusion is to an extent, but not conspiracy.
Of note is that this idea was already fully formed
before the "Occupy Movement" came on the scene (and was subsequently gassed and pepper-sprayed off the streets). "Occupy" likely was an offshoot of John Edwards' "Two Americas" thesis. Unfortunately, both got the numbers wrong; the actual physical number of the "elites" possibly amounts to about 500 families, or about 0.001% of the population. So the 99% versus the 1% is rather off the mark. These days, if you're not born with a billion dollar trust fund [0] you're a nobody.
Also of note is that under my operating hypothesis, ethics and ethical behaviour can have no place; it's got to be bald bare-knuckle competition and the winner will take the spoils. Had ethics been playing a role things would not have gotten to the point where they are now; and while most folks play with at least some notion of ethics, that does not apply in business where it's all about profit and acquisition with precisely no care whatsoever about what damage may be done.
So, there it is. No vast conspiracy, just human nature with humanity mostly removed and a lot of money added. As the fictional character of Gordon Gecko pointed up, "Greed works. Greed is good." That was supposed to be a warning; instead, it became a mantra. Money, after all, is power in a capitalist system.
It's also how republics and open societies in general are undermined and fall.
[0] This points up precisely how lousy a businessman Trump is. He gambled -- and lost -- most of his billion-dollar trust fund and it was down to his daddy's accountants to make the best of the situation using rules specifically intended to benefit that class of individual. At least this rule has now been exposed for the travesty it is. Needless to say, nothing will get done about it, and how many other similar rules are in place that we don't yet know about is open to conjecture.